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	<title>Comments on: Moodle and SCORM Export?</title>
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	<description>ce n'est pas la connaissance.</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-193015</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am relatively new to SCORM etc myself and am coming to it from a SW firm that creates and sells a proprietary server/client authoring + LMS suite into a targeted and narrow (but fairly lucrative) market.

Within our market our SW is well-received and generally considered the "go to" solution. In short, while we might be evil money grubbers to the greater LMS community, we are also no newcomers or slouches when it comes to the general problem/issues/technologies/etc.

We recently agreed to add SCORM-compliant export to our Authoring tool, primarily because product managers, sales, and marketing insisted it would be sexy and it would generate sales (and a lot of customers have to be able to say to their own chain of command that "Yes, this solution can generate SCORM compliant courses!", even though none or very few of them have any intention of jumping into the SCORM quagmire.

Our overall experience with SCORM and most the LMS standards is that while the goals are lofty (and worthy) and there's no lack of effort to pull it all together, that overall the situation is a colossal hairball and that at least SCORM itself is, as one other poster put it, a tar pit.

Personally I fail to see the advantages of a standard that isn't even a true standard because it keeps changing and they routinely abandon backward compatibility (in small but significant ways), when it is so monstrously complex that interoperable (much less certified complaint) implementations must therefore (and by definition) be monstrously complex, and a standard whereby any useful solution in the end devolves to one that is compliant but offers (and encourages) so many non-compliant extensions that they are essentially proprietary solutions themselves.

I feel great empathy for the Moodle community. We have avoided Moodle altogether because like others we scanned the glossy print, realized it was not a SCORM compliant implementation, and moved on. So I both have no experience with nor any comments about Moodel specifically.

My observations are directed more generally at the space as a whole and at the SCORM community in particular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am relatively new to SCORM etc myself and am coming to it from a SW firm that creates and sells a proprietary server/client authoring + LMS suite into a targeted and narrow (but fairly lucrative) market.</p>
<p>Within our market our SW is well-received and generally considered the &#8220;go to&#8221; solution. In short, while we might be evil money grubbers to the greater LMS community, we are also no newcomers or slouches when it comes to the general problem/issues/technologies/etc.</p>
<p>We recently agreed to add SCORM-compliant export to our Authoring tool, primarily because product managers, sales, and marketing insisted it would be sexy and it would generate sales (and a lot of customers have to be able to say to their own chain of command that &#8220;Yes, this solution can generate SCORM compliant courses!&#8221;, even though none or very few of them have any intention of jumping into the SCORM quagmire.</p>
<p>Our overall experience with SCORM and most the LMS standards is that while the goals are lofty (and worthy) and there&#8217;s no lack of effort to pull it all together, that overall the situation is a colossal hairball and that at least SCORM itself is, as one other poster put it, a tar pit.</p>
<p>Personally I fail to see the advantages of a standard that isn&#8217;t even a true standard because it keeps changing and they routinely abandon backward compatibility (in small but significant ways), when it is so monstrously complex that interoperable (much less certified complaint) implementations must therefore (and by definition) be monstrously complex, and a standard whereby any useful solution in the end devolves to one that is compliant but offers (and encourages) so many non-compliant extensions that they are essentially proprietary solutions themselves.</p>
<p>I feel great empathy for the Moodle community. We have avoided Moodle altogether because like others we scanned the glossy print, realized it was not a SCORM compliant implementation, and moved on. So I both have no experience with nor any comments about Moodel specifically.</p>
<p>My observations are directed more generally at the space as a whole and at the SCORM community in particular.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephane</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-192141</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear all,

I have developped a CMS for a school and I would like to know how to go about exporting in scorm in PHP.

Any library or code that could help..?

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear all,</p>
<p>I have developped a CMS for a school and I would like to know how to go about exporting in scorm in PHP.</p>
<p>Any library or code that could help..?</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: sanjib</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-184759</link>
		<dc:creator>sanjib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me and my team are currently working on the same. And hopefully in a month or so we will release our first version of the Sitact's SITACTION module where you will be able to export a learning path in from moodle to any other LMS of your choice. It wont be a oneway any more.

Happy Moodling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me and my team are currently working on the same. And hopefully in a month or so we will release our first version of the Sitact&#8217;s SITACTION module where you will be able to export a learning path in from moodle to any other LMS of your choice. It wont be a oneway any more.</p>
<p>Happy Moodling</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Granter</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-184549</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Granter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, is there any update on this?  I would like to export the latest Moodle forum content for specific courses and echo it in a new system we are building.  Can I do this directly via the database?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, is there any update on this?  I would like to export the latest Moodle forum content for specific courses and echo it in a new system we are building.  Can I do this directly via the database?</p>
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		<title>By: dnorman</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-180442</link>
		<dc:creator>dnorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, that sounds awesome! I'll definitely check out the Moodle Book module! Thanks for the pointer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, that sounds awesome! I&#8217;ll definitely check out the Moodle Book module! Thanks for the pointer!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Penney</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-180441</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Penney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, the optional Moodle Book module now has an "Export to IMS CP" button - it is a very nice tool for developing content in, so that may be a good option for moving content from one system to another.

In fact, that makes Moodle itself a nice free tool to develop IMS CP content for other systems:-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the optional Moodle Book module now has an &#8220;Export to IMS CP&#8221; button - it is a very nice tool for developing content in, so that may be a good option for moving content from one system to another.</p>
<p>In fact, that makes Moodle itself a nice free tool to develop IMS CP content for other systems:-).</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, good response, I agree. We've talked before about this, I may be in a better position now to collaborate on this (and as you indicate, Common Cartridge is likely the better target anyways). Let's talk at some point.  And if you know of anyone who has done work on *exporting* Moodle content as either CP or CC, would love to hear about that too. Cheers, Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, good response, I agree. We&#8217;ve talked before about this, I may be in a better position now to collaborate on this (and as you indicate, Common Cartridge is likely the better target anyways). Let&#8217;s talk at some point.  And if you know of anyone who has done work on *exporting* Moodle content as either CP or CC, would love to hear about that too. Cheers, Scott</p>
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		<title>By: dnorman</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-180405</link>
		<dc:creator>dnorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, thanks for your great response! I never intended to imply any bad faith in the Moodle Dev. community - believe me, I know how hard implementing SCORM is (I implemented SCORM complete with AICC on a commercial LMS a few years ago).

IMS CC does sound like the ideal export/imort/interchange format (and certainly much more flexible and complete than SCORM, by including IMS QI etc...) - but does anything implement that yet? The IMS site for the spec still seems rather draftish. When it goes "live" this summer, things could really get interesting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, thanks for your great response! I never intended to imply any bad faith in the Moodle Dev. community - believe me, I know how hard implementing SCORM is (I implemented SCORM complete with AICC on a commercial LMS a few years ago).</p>
<p>IMS CC does sound like the ideal export/imort/interchange format (and certainly much more flexible and complete than SCORM, by including IMS QI etc&#8230;) - but does anything implement that yet? The IMS site for the spec still seems rather draftish. When it goes &#8220;live&#8221; this summer, things could really get interesting!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Penney</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-180404</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Penney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all, Moodle by default exports to an open XML standard (moodle.xml) with the file system. There is no encryption on this XML export, and anyone is free to write a conversion tool that reads moodle.xml and converts it into another format - as Rolf aptly describes.

Open source projects generally don't run with large profit margins or capital funding, so new features need to have either a source of funding or a source of development, documentation, and QA resources.

Moodle hasn't had the benefit of large, open ended grant funding, so larger scale development tends to be very focused on the goals of the funding sources - generally larges institutions like OU, NZVLE, Intel Education, CIE, etc. who need specific functionality added to Moodle on a tightly managed budget and timeline - these projects are more focused on adding more functionality to Moodle than to building export formats - esp. because Moodle's existing export format is not that hard to read and if need be convert from one XML format to another. 

The SCORM format is so limited in it's ability to support the full range of Moodle (or Blackboard) features that my personal opinion is that building a SCORM export tool would be more of a marketing talking point than an actually useful feature for most people using the LMS- folks would constantly be complaining about all the functionality that can't supported in the SCORM specification:-(. 

If D'Arcy or others can put together a grant or other source of the development resources to build and release a solidly coded and well tested and documented IMS CC export for Moodle, then folks in the Moodle community would be happy to include it - a decent export format would really need to be IMS Common Cartridge, though, IMO.

We in the Moodle development community are really working very hard to give the user community the best LMS we can with the constraints of time and resources - we would love to work on a project to provide a good IMS CC export from Moodle - I've been trying for years now with Jason Cole, Jim Farmer, Martin Dougiamas, Martin Langhoff etc. to put together a project to provide IMS CC export for Moodle - the lack of it is not for lack of good faith or  desire on the part of the Moodle development community - however it is not a trivial project and generally non-trivial projects need to have a way to provide dedicated resources over the lifetime of the project to be successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, Moodle by default exports to an open XML standard (moodle.xml) with the file system. There is no encryption on this XML export, and anyone is free to write a conversion tool that reads moodle.xml and converts it into another format - as Rolf aptly describes.</p>
<p>Open source projects generally don&#8217;t run with large profit margins or capital funding, so new features need to have either a source of funding or a source of development, documentation, and QA resources.</p>
<p>Moodle hasn&#8217;t had the benefit of large, open ended grant funding, so larger scale development tends to be very focused on the goals of the funding sources - generally larges institutions like OU, NZVLE, Intel Education, CIE, etc. who need specific functionality added to Moodle on a tightly managed budget and timeline - these projects are more focused on adding more functionality to Moodle than to building export formats - esp. because Moodle&#8217;s existing export format is not that hard to read and if need be convert from one XML format to another. </p>
<p>The SCORM format is so limited in it&#8217;s ability to support the full range of Moodle (or Blackboard) features that my personal opinion is that building a SCORM export tool would be more of a marketing talking point than an actually useful feature for most people using the LMS- folks would constantly be complaining about all the functionality that can&#8217;t supported in the SCORM specification:-(. </p>
<p>If D&#8217;Arcy or others can put together a grant or other source of the development resources to build and release a solidly coded and well tested and documented IMS CC export for Moodle, then folks in the Moodle community would be happy to include it - a decent export format would really need to be IMS Common Cartridge, though, IMO.</p>
<p>We in the Moodle development community are really working very hard to give the user community the best LMS we can with the constraints of time and resources - we would love to work on a project to provide a good IMS CC export from Moodle - I&#8217;ve been trying for years now with Jason Cole, Jim Farmer, Martin Dougiamas, Martin Langhoff etc. to put together a project to provide IMS CC export for Moodle - the lack of it is not for lack of good faith or  desire on the part of the Moodle development community - however it is not a trivial project and generally non-trivial projects need to have a way to provide dedicated resources over the lifetime of the project to be successful.</p>
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		<title>By: On Open Source, Open Standards, and Lock-in at e-Literate</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-180248</link>
		<dc:creator>On Open Source, Open Standards, and Lock-in at e-Literate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been meaning to comment on D&#8217;Arcy Norman&#8217;s frustrations with not being able to export Moodle courses to a common standard. He makes a very important point: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been meaning to comment on D&#8217;Arcy Norman&#8217;s frustrations with not being able to export Moodle courses to a common standard. He makes a very important point: [...]</p>
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