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		<title>By: Concerning Open Source, LMSs and SCORM: Correcting Some Common Misconceptions &#124; E-Learning Curve Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-195895</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerning Open Source, LMSs and SCORM: Correcting Some Common Misconceptions &#124; E-Learning Curve Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in point. In her post, Dawn compared  Moodle with the proprietary BlackBoard solution. She cites D&#8217;Arcy Norman&#8217;s blog post (2009) where the author expressed their frustration at being unable to &#8220;export a Moodle [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in point. In her post, Dawn compared  Moodle with the proprietary BlackBoard solution. She cites D&#8217;Arcy Norman&#8217;s blog post (2009) where the author expressed their frustration at being unable to &#8220;export a Moodle [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dnorman</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-194536</link>
		<dc:creator>dnorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. good point. the problem should be rephrased as &quot;is there a way to get content out of Moodle in a way that can be ingested into another platform without having to copy and paste a few hundred separate pages?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. good point. the problem should be rephrased as &#8220;is there a way to get content out of Moodle in a way that can be ingested into another platform without having to copy and paste a few hundred separate pages?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BW022</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-194535</link>
		<dc:creator>BW022</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, 

I think people are really getting the wrong idea about AICC and SCORM &#039;formats&#039;. Folks appear to talk about them like there are capable actually holding all of a course&#039;s information. They can&#039;t. AICC (a collection of .ini and .cvs files) and SCORM (an XML file) only hold the most basic of information common to all (online) courses. 

AICC only holds a title, id, and description for the course and title, description, and URL for the individual units. That&#039;s it! All other fields are related to CBT launching and tracking. SCORM offers little more in terms of actual inputted information. Even the most basic information such as duration, credits, notes, meta-tags, vendor, prerequisites, versioning, questions/responses, skills, materials, etc., do not exist within these files. 

I think folks might want to seriously look at what they would actually get from this. Anyone using the AICC export/import functionality quickly realizes that it is all but useless in transfering information around. It simply doesn&#039;t store much. SCORM would do little better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, </p>
<p>I think people are really getting the wrong idea about AICC and SCORM &#8216;formats&#8217;. Folks appear to talk about them like there are capable actually holding all of a course&#8217;s information. They can&#8217;t. AICC (a collection of .ini and .cvs files) and SCORM (an XML file) only hold the most basic of information common to all (online) courses. </p>
<p>AICC only holds a title, id, and description for the course and title, description, and URL for the individual units. That&#8217;s it! All other fields are related to CBT launching and tracking. SCORM offers little more in terms of actual inputted information. Even the most basic information such as duration, credits, notes, meta-tags, vendor, prerequisites, versioning, questions/responses, skills, materials, etc., do not exist within these files. </p>
<p>I think folks might want to seriously look at what they would actually get from this. Anyone using the AICC export/import functionality quickly realizes that it is all but useless in transfering information around. It simply doesn&#8217;t store much. SCORM would do little better.</p>
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		<title>By: moodle-experts</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-194172</link>
		<dc:creator>moodle-experts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I missed it, but I was curious if you also tried exporting/importing your course(s) in various AICC formats, and then what the results were?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I missed it, but I was curious if you also tried exporting/importing your course(s) in various AICC formats, and then what the results were?</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-193015</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am relatively new to SCORM etc myself and am coming to it from a SW firm that creates and sells a proprietary server/client authoring + LMS suite into a targeted and narrow (but fairly lucrative) market.

Within our market our SW is well-received and generally considered the &quot;go to&quot; solution. In short, while we might be evil money grubbers to the greater LMS community, we are also no newcomers or slouches when it comes to the general problem/issues/technologies/etc.

We recently agreed to add SCORM-compliant export to our Authoring tool, primarily because product managers, sales, and marketing insisted it would be sexy and it would generate sales (and a lot of customers have to be able to say to their own chain of command that &quot;Yes, this solution can generate SCORM compliant courses!&quot;, even though none or very few of them have any intention of jumping into the SCORM quagmire.

Our overall experience with SCORM and most the LMS standards is that while the goals are lofty (and worthy) and there&#039;s no lack of effort to pull it all together, that overall the situation is a colossal hairball and that at least SCORM itself is, as one other poster put it, a tar pit.

Personally I fail to see the advantages of a standard that isn&#039;t even a true standard because it keeps changing and they routinely abandon backward compatibility (in small but significant ways), when it is so monstrously complex that interoperable (much less certified complaint) implementations must therefore (and by definition) be monstrously complex, and a standard whereby any useful solution in the end devolves to one that is compliant but offers (and encourages) so many non-compliant extensions that they are essentially proprietary solutions themselves.

I feel great empathy for the Moodle community. We have avoided Moodle altogether because like others we scanned the glossy print, realized it was not a SCORM compliant implementation, and moved on. So I both have no experience with nor any comments about Moodel specifically.

My observations are directed more generally at the space as a whole and at the SCORM community in particular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am relatively new to SCORM etc myself and am coming to it from a SW firm that creates and sells a proprietary server/client authoring + LMS suite into a targeted and narrow (but fairly lucrative) market.</p>
<p>Within our market our SW is well-received and generally considered the &#8220;go to&#8221; solution. In short, while we might be evil money grubbers to the greater LMS community, we are also no newcomers or slouches when it comes to the general problem/issues/technologies/etc.</p>
<p>We recently agreed to add SCORM-compliant export to our Authoring tool, primarily because product managers, sales, and marketing insisted it would be sexy and it would generate sales (and a lot of customers have to be able to say to their own chain of command that &#8220;Yes, this solution can generate SCORM compliant courses!&#8221;, even though none or very few of them have any intention of jumping into the SCORM quagmire.</p>
<p>Our overall experience with SCORM and most the LMS standards is that while the goals are lofty (and worthy) and there&#8217;s no lack of effort to pull it all together, that overall the situation is a colossal hairball and that at least SCORM itself is, as one other poster put it, a tar pit.</p>
<p>Personally I fail to see the advantages of a standard that isn&#8217;t even a true standard because it keeps changing and they routinely abandon backward compatibility (in small but significant ways), when it is so monstrously complex that interoperable (much less certified complaint) implementations must therefore (and by definition) be monstrously complex, and a standard whereby any useful solution in the end devolves to one that is compliant but offers (and encourages) so many non-compliant extensions that they are essentially proprietary solutions themselves.</p>
<p>I feel great empathy for the Moodle community. We have avoided Moodle altogether because like others we scanned the glossy print, realized it was not a SCORM compliant implementation, and moved on. So I both have no experience with nor any comments about Moodel specifically.</p>
<p>My observations are directed more generally at the space as a whole and at the SCORM community in particular.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephane</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-192141</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear all,

I have developped a CMS for a school and I would like to know how to go about exporting in scorm in PHP.

Any library or code that could help..?

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear all,</p>
<p>I have developped a CMS for a school and I would like to know how to go about exporting in scorm in PHP.</p>
<p>Any library or code that could help..?</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: sanjib</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-184759</link>
		<dc:creator>sanjib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me and my team are currently working on the same. And hopefully in a month or so we will release our first version of the Sitact&#039;s SITACTION module where you will be able to export a learning path in from moodle to any other LMS of your choice. It wont be a oneway any more.

Happy Moodling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me and my team are currently working on the same. And hopefully in a month or so we will release our first version of the Sitact&#8217;s SITACTION module where you will be able to export a learning path in from moodle to any other LMS of your choice. It wont be a oneway any more.</p>
<p>Happy Moodling</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Granter</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-184549</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Granter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, is there any update on this?  I would like to export the latest Moodle forum content for specific courses and echo it in a new system we are building.  Can I do this directly via the database?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, is there any update on this?  I would like to export the latest Moodle forum content for specific courses and echo it in a new system we are building.  Can I do this directly via the database?</p>
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		<title>By: dnorman</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-180442</link>
		<dc:creator>dnorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, that sounds awesome! I&#039;ll definitely check out the Moodle Book module! Thanks for the pointer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, that sounds awesome! I&#8217;ll definitely check out the Moodle Book module! Thanks for the pointer!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Penney</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2008/03/07/moodle-and-scorm-export/#comment-180441</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Penney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, the optional Moodle Book module now has an &quot;Export to IMS CP&quot; button - it is a very nice tool for developing content in, so that may be a good option for moving content from one system to another.

In fact, that makes Moodle itself a nice free tool to develop IMS CP content for other systems:-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the optional Moodle Book module now has an &#8220;Export to IMS CP&#8221; button &#8211; it is a very nice tool for developing content in, so that may be a good option for moving content from one system to another.</p>
<p>In fact, that makes Moodle itself a nice free tool to develop IMS CP content for other systems:-).</p>
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