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	<description>apparently much happier in person</description>
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		<title>By: Kyle Mathews</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/09/29/on-open-ed-2007/#comment-127944</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Mathews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The green slurry stuff was pretty nasty.  I asked one of the waitresses and the drink she said was an Indonesian tea of some sort. Go figure.

I only made it to one day of the conference (Friday) but I really enjoyed the sessions I attended. It was fun reading your write-up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The green slurry stuff was pretty nasty.  I asked one of the waitresses and the drink she said was an Indonesian tea of some sort. Go figure.</p>
<p>I only made it to one day of the conference (Friday) but I really enjoyed the sessions I attended. It was fun reading your write-up.</p>
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		<title>By: knewd &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-10-07</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/09/29/on-open-ed-2007/#comment-122277</link>
		<dc:creator>knewd &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-10-07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on open ed 2007 - D&#8217;Arcy Norman dot net open education is about sharing freely, in every sense. a truly free sharing experience values and honours all participants (not just professor/teacher/expert), is conversational and iterative, and is recontextualizable without friction. (tags: conference open-ed) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on open ed 2007 &#8211; D&#8217;Arcy Norman dot net open education is about sharing freely, in every sense. a truly free sharing experience values and honours all participants (not just professor/teacher/expert), is conversational and iterative, and is recontextualizable without friction. (tags: conference open-ed) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/09/29/on-open-ed-2007/#comment-120466</link>
		<dc:creator>Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for those thoughtful responses to my own jumbled comment, D&#039;Arcy. I do think we&#039;re largely in agreement here. 

I will say that the legal barriers to reuse are usually regrettable, but some very few times they&#039;re justified. One of the problems I have with Larry Lessig is the way he eggs his fans on by his more radical asides to them, while publicly he maintains a somewhat more moderate position. I understand you&#039;re not trying to out-Lessig Lessig here. I&#039;m still trying to make up my own mind on a bunch of this stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for those thoughtful responses to my own jumbled comment, D&#8217;Arcy. I do think we&#8217;re largely in agreement here. </p>
<p>I will say that the legal barriers to reuse are usually regrettable, but some very few times they&#8217;re justified. One of the problems I have with Larry Lessig is the way he eggs his fans on by his more radical asides to them, while publicly he maintains a somewhat more moderate position. I understand you&#8217;re not trying to out-Lessig Lessig here. I&#8217;m still trying to make up my own mind on a bunch of this stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/09/29/on-open-ed-2007/#comment-120433</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for blogging this so comprehensively. The conference sounds like it was a wonderfully validating experience for you as well and through this medium I sense a little for myself as well. I appreciate this sense that you found this homogeneity in diversity and can sense some of your passion in how deeply you were affected. Your discussion has stimulated some thoughtful discussion at my institution as well. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for blogging this so comprehensively. The conference sounds like it was a wonderfully validating experience for you as well and through this medium I sense a little for myself as well. I appreciate this sense that you found this homogeneity in diversity and can sense some of your passion in how deeply you were affected. Your discussion has stimulated some thoughtful discussion at my institution as well. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: dnorman</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/09/29/on-open-ed-2007/#comment-120322</link>
		<dc:creator>dnorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 04:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gardner: regarding friction, I was meaning in a technical and legal sense, not an intellectual, conceptual or academic sense. Friction inside one&#039;s skull is where the magic happens (I&#039;m experiencing a considerable amount of friction right now) - friction outside the skull is problematic, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gardner: regarding friction, I was meaning in a technical and legal sense, not an intellectual, conceptual or academic sense. Friction inside one&#8217;s skull is where the magic happens (I&#8217;m experiencing a considerable amount of friction right now) &#8211; friction outside the skull is problematic, though.</p>
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		<title>By: dnorman</title>
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		<dc:creator>dnorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gardner: my thoughts are still quite incoherent on this, so it&#039;s definitely less clear than it will be (hopefully) later.

I wasn&#039;t trying to discount the role of the expert/teacher/professor, but rather to elevate the role of the student. This is an equalization-up, not down.

Also, the suggestion that all content has equal value is nice and sentimental, but devalues the best content. Not all things are worth preserving, and in fact much ephemera has value in being cast aside as part of the process.

Thanks for the link to the Sontag critique. Rest assured - I&#039;m reading with eyes wide open, and a grain of salt larger than my house. It&#039;s still interesting to read some of the criticisms and theses she put forward. That said, I&#039;m still taking lots of photographs (including several during the conference) but am finding that I am being more mindful, both of process and the interaction between photographer and photographed (and bystanders). Interesting stuff, even if she deliberately wrote it overly radicalized and polarized for general consumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gardner: my thoughts are still quite incoherent on this, so it&#8217;s definitely less clear than it will be (hopefully) later.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t trying to discount the role of the expert/teacher/professor, but rather to elevate the role of the student. This is an equalization-up, not down.</p>
<p>Also, the suggestion that all content has equal value is nice and sentimental, but devalues the best content. Not all things are worth preserving, and in fact much ephemera has value in being cast aside as part of the process.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to the Sontag critique. Rest assured &#8211; I&#8217;m reading with eyes wide open, and a grain of salt larger than my house. It&#8217;s still interesting to read some of the criticisms and theses she put forward. That said, I&#8217;m still taking lots of photographs (including several during the conference) but am finding that I am being more mindful, both of process and the interaction between photographer and photographed (and bystanders). Interesting stuff, even if she deliberately wrote it overly radicalized and polarized for general consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/09/29/on-open-ed-2007/#comment-120316</link>
		<dc:creator>Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a mindblower in every respect. Wish I could have been there. Thanks for blogging this.

From iTunesU (first iteration) to Bb, I&#039;m pretty vocal about not locking the stuff down--but in some parts of the open ed movement, I confess that I&#039;m in a middle position. I&#039;m not sure any context can shift without friction, or even that I&#039;d always want it to. In some respects, individuality will always yield friction. Friction--if we&#039;re really talking friction and not a wall--can yield some benefits, slow us down and give us time for more reflection. Also, I&#039;m right with you on the idea of honoring all participants in the conversation--if they&#039;re truly participating with an eye to the greater good--but I also think expertise is valuable and that value should be honored too. Maybe this is what you mean by not necessarily preserving the crappily written content?

Also, the reverend will tell you that I believe in leaders and authority, when they&#039;re generative and thoughtful and devoted to empowering others.

I think we agree on most of the main points--and I&#039;m grateful you&#039;ve summed up those voices in your head for us to hear as well.

Regarding Sontag, a cautionary post from Errol Morris: http://morris.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/25/which-came-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg-part-one/index.html?th&amp;emc=th</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a mindblower in every respect. Wish I could have been there. Thanks for blogging this.</p>
<p>From iTunesU (first iteration) to Bb, I&#8217;m pretty vocal about not locking the stuff down&#8211;but in some parts of the open ed movement, I confess that I&#8217;m in a middle position. I&#8217;m not sure any context can shift without friction, or even that I&#8217;d always want it to. In some respects, individuality will always yield friction. Friction&#8211;if we&#8217;re really talking friction and not a wall&#8211;can yield some benefits, slow us down and give us time for more reflection. Also, I&#8217;m right with you on the idea of honoring all participants in the conversation&#8211;if they&#8217;re truly participating with an eye to the greater good&#8211;but I also think expertise is valuable and that value should be honored too. Maybe this is what you mean by not necessarily preserving the crappily written content?</p>
<p>Also, the reverend will tell you that I believe in leaders and authority, when they&#8217;re generative and thoughtful and devoted to empowering others.</p>
<p>I think we agree on most of the main points&#8211;and I&#8217;m grateful you&#8217;ve summed up those voices in your head for us to hear as well.</p>
<p>Regarding Sontag, a cautionary post from Errol Morris: <a href="http://morris.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/25/which-came-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg-part-one/index.html?th&amp;emc=th" rel="nofollow">http://morris.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/25/which-came-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg-part-one/index.html?th&amp;emc=th</a></p>
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