Comments on: Fun with Drupal Upgrades http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/ apparently much happier in person Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:03:04 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: dnorman http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105249 dnorman Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:51:16 +0000 http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105249 @Webchick: thanks SO much for the tip. That solved it for me. My Drupal 4.7.7 site was fully patched, as were all modules. Looks like jumping from 4.7.7 - 5.2 is a bit bumpy if CCK is used. Thankfully, it's a really easy fix to do in the database once upgraded. Thanks again! :-) @Webchick: thanks SO much for the tip. That solved it for me. My Drupal 4.7.7 site was fully patched, as were all modules. Looks like jumping from 4.7.7 – 5.2 is a bit bumpy if CCK is used. Thankfully, it’s a really easy fix to do in the database once upgraded. Thanks again! :-)

]]> By: Matt Pasiewicz http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105187 Matt Pasiewicz Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:14:38 +0000 http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105187 Seems like we experienced a similar issue. If I remember correctly, we wound up not upgrading straight to 5.x ... seems like we had to make sure all relevant patches were applied to CCK on 4.7 and then do module updates, and then upgrade to 5.X ... then do module updates again (even the dot releases). And then we ran into some issue w/ rebuilding permissions. I can't remember exactly, but hopefully that might help further hone in on the issue if webchick's link doesn't help. Good luck! Matt Seems like we experienced a similar issue. If I remember correctly, we wound up not upgrading straight to 5.x … seems like we had to make sure all relevant patches were applied to CCK on 4.7 and then do module updates, and then upgrade to 5.X … then do module updates again (even the dot releases). And then we ran into some issue w/ rebuilding permissions. I can’t remember exactly, but hopefully that might help further hone in on the issue if webchick’s link doesn’t help.

Good luck!
Matt

]]> By: dnorman http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105058 dnorman Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:15:26 +0000 http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105058 @webchick: YES! That sound exactly like what happened! I'll poke around with the suggested fix first thing in the AM. Thanks! Another very strong vote for the Open Source community! :-) @chx: agreed. Apple's been consistently awesome wrt support for me, and I use that exclusively on the desk/laptop. Other than that, it's pretty hit and miss in the commercial world. OmniGroup is awesome, and a small handful of others... @Simon: exactly. And the Core upgrade went perfectly, so support wouldn't have been needed anyway :-) @webchick: YES! That sound exactly like what happened! I’ll poke around with the suggested fix first thing in the AM. Thanks! Another very strong vote for the Open Source community! :-)

@chx: agreed. Apple’s been consistently awesome wrt support for me, and I use that exclusively on the desk/laptop. Other than that, it’s pretty hit and miss in the commercial world. OmniGroup is awesome, and a small handful of others…

@Simon: exactly. And the Core upgrade went perfectly, so support wouldn’t have been needed anyway :-)

]]> By: Simon http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105055 Simon Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:50:27 +0000 http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105055 @Jim - If Drupal were a commercial product the only part they would support is core. A pure Drupal core upgrade is just as robust. @Jim – If Drupal were a commercial product the only part they would support is core. A pure Drupal core upgrade is just as robust.

]]> By: chx http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105054 chx Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:48:45 +0000 http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105054 Aside from Opera where one of its engineers actually VNC'd in to my machine to fix stuff some years ago, I never had any positive experience with paid for support. Quite the opposite. Aside from Opera where one of its engineers actually VNC’d in to my machine to fix stuff some years ago, I never had any positive experience with paid for support. Quite the opposite.

]]> By: webchick http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105053 webchick Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:48:11 +0000 http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105053 Sounds like it might be this: http://drupal.org/node/138978 Sounds like it might be this: http://drupal.org/node/138978

]]> By: dnorman http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105052 dnorman Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:46:26 +0000 http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105052 Jim, Open Source isn't the problem, nor is Drupal, nor is Free. I'm MUCH more comfortable and effective using Drupal to drive websites than I would be with a commercial CMS. To do what I need, I'd need to be using contributed plugins/modules/extensions/widgets in any commercial CMS as well, which would put me back in the same boat, but with the pleasure of paying someone to build their software. I'm still not exactly sure what happened, but I'm positive it's not a Drupal problem per se - the core stuff upgraded perfectly. It's a problem with the contributed module. Whether a bug in the upgrade code, or operator error on my part (did I miss an update?), or just lacking documentation (what should the table structure look like? what do the fields and tables do? etc...) If this was a commercial CMS, I also wouldn't be able to go through the source code to find the answers. It might be a pain, but thankfully I have the right to find the answer, without having to cut any cheques. "Affordable" might be worse - a low-cost, small-scale app that does a couple things well, but has all of the trappings of a commercial app (no access to source, etc...). I'll be sticking with FOSS everywhere I can, especially on the server. Drupal for websites. WordPress for blogs and some small websites. Commercial CMS platforms don't offer any benefits. Jim, Open Source isn’t the problem, nor is Drupal, nor is Free. I’m MUCH more comfortable and effective using Drupal to drive websites than I would be with a commercial CMS. To do what I need, I’d need to be using contributed plugins/modules/extensions/widgets in any commercial CMS as well, which would put me back in the same boat, but with the pleasure of paying someone to build their software.

I’m still not exactly sure what happened, but I’m positive it’s not a Drupal problem per se – the core stuff upgraded perfectly. It’s a problem with the contributed module. Whether a bug in the upgrade code, or operator error on my part (did I miss an update?), or just lacking documentation (what should the table structure look like? what do the fields and tables do? etc…)

If this was a commercial CMS, I also wouldn’t be able to go through the source code to find the answers. It might be a pain, but thankfully I have the right to find the answer, without having to cut any cheques.

“Affordable” might be worse – a low-cost, small-scale app that does a couple things well, but has all of the trappings of a commercial app (no access to source, etc…). I’ll be sticking with FOSS everywhere I can, especially on the server. Drupal for websites. WordPress for blogs and some small websites. Commercial CMS platforms don’t offer any benefits.

]]> By: Jim Stone http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105045 Jim Stone Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:15:59 +0000 http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105045 Never any fun. I've got a half dozen or so sites running well under Drupal's multi-site feature and am nervously contemplating an upgrade from 5.1 to 5.2. I can't count the number of hours I've spent debugging Drupal installs and don't want that total going up yet again with a "simple security upgrade". There's no denying Drupal's potential - but there are "issues". You don't have to step very far out of the box before the learning curve would give Hilary pause. I'd suggest there's a bigger issue though - the "free" in FOSS. We all know there's no such thing as a free lunch and the next couple of days (hopefully less) you're going to spend debugging your upgrade (and the countless hours I've spent tuning my installs) are further proof of that. I'd suggest that if Drupal were a commercial product your upgrade would have truly been "easy". Or, if not, one could be reasonably sure that someone else would be debugging the problems. Assuming, of course, the developer wants to stay in business. Open Source is essential. "Free" makes me nervous whether it's a CMS or an OS or anything else that's important. "Affordable" would, in my view, be better. Never any fun.

I’ve got a half dozen or so sites running well under Drupal’s multi-site feature and am nervously contemplating an upgrade from 5.1 to 5.2. I can’t count the number of hours I’ve spent debugging Drupal installs and don’t want that total going up yet again with a “simple security upgrade”.

There’s no denying Drupal’s potential – but there are “issues”. You don’t have to step very far out of the box before the learning curve would give Hilary pause.

I’d suggest there’s a bigger issue though – the “free” in FOSS. We all know there’s no such thing as a free lunch and the next couple of days (hopefully less) you’re going to spend debugging your upgrade (and the countless hours I’ve spent tuning my installs) are further proof of that.

I’d suggest that if Drupal were a commercial product your upgrade would have truly been “easy”. Or, if not, one could be reasonably sure that someone else would be debugging the problems. Assuming, of course, the developer wants to stay in business.

Open Source is essential. “Free” makes me nervous whether it’s a CMS or an OS or anything else that’s important. “Affordable” would, in my view, be better.

]]> By: dnorman http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105044 dnorman Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:13:02 +0000 http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105044 I think the problem was that I was wearing my shiny new red WordPress shirt today. Of course that's the day Drupal acts up... If I got a Drupal shirt, my blog would blow up. Maybe I should stick to wearing Joomla or Microsoft shirts - I'd be safe then. I think the problem was that I was wearing my shiny new red WordPress shirt today. Of course that’s the day Drupal acts up… If I got a Drupal shirt, my blog would blow up. Maybe I should stick to wearing Joomla or Microsoft shirts – I’d be safe then.

]]> By: Jim http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105041 Jim Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:58:55 +0000 http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/08/14/fun-with-drupal-upgrades/#comment-105041 Where's Bill Fitzgerald when you need him? He seems to be Johnny-on-the-Spot when something goes wrong with Old Faithful WordPress! <blockquote>and what i want to know is how do you like your blueeyed boy Mister Death</blockquote> Hope you're wearing your WordPress shirt for the next few days! Where’s Bill Fitzgerald when you need him? He seems to be Johnny-on-the-Spot when something goes wrong with Old Faithful WordPress!

and what i want to know is
how do you like your blueeyed boy
Mister Death

Hope you’re wearing your WordPress shirt for the next few days!

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