Comments on: Deflickring http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/02/01/deflickring/ apparently much happier in person Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:39:21 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Ruminate » Blog Archive » Digital Identity, Children, Students http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/02/01/deflickring/#comment-180075 Ruminate » Blog Archive » Digital Identity, Children, Students Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:54:51 +0000 1580231774#comment-180075 [...] is asking questions in an area that I remember D’Arcy talking about some time ago: handling digital identity for children and students. How do we protect them? Will [...] [...] is asking questions in an area that I remember D’Arcy talking about some time ago: handling digital identity for children and students. How do we protect them? Will [...]

]]> By: chris garrett http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/02/01/deflickring/#comment-82915 chris garrett Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1580231774#comment-82915 I only rarely have children pictures (mine or anyone elses) public. This for me was in reaction to some strange attention I and other people I know have gotten from blogs and flickr. There are just too many wierdos out there. The fact the interweb tubes never forgets is just another reason to keep your family restricted to friends and family I only rarely have children pictures (mine or anyone elses) public. This for me was in reaction to some strange attention I and other people I know have gotten from blogs and flickr. There are just too many wierdos out there. The fact the interweb tubes never forgets is just another reason to keep your family restricted to friends and family

]]> By: dnorman http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/02/01/deflickring/#comment-82926 dnorman Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1580231774#comment-82926 I've been lucky (I guess?) - I'm not aware of any nefarious evilness related to any photos I've posted. Either it hasn't been a problem, or I'm just blissfully unaware. I’ve been lucky (I guess?) – I’m not aware of any nefarious evilness related to any photos I’ve posted. Either it hasn’t been a problem, or I’m just blissfully unaware.

]]> By: Alan http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/02/01/deflickring/#comment-82960 Alan Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1580231774#comment-82960 it need not be a total banning of "The Boy(s)" (I too like seeing your offspring), just selective choices, or being nebulous about names/locations. I often blur street signs in the background of my personal shots. it need not be a total banning of “The Boy(s)” (I too like seeing your offspring), just selective choices, or being nebulous about names/locations. I often blur street signs in the background of my personal shots.

]]> By: dnorman http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/02/01/deflickring/#comment-82961 dnorman Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1580231774#comment-82961 I've always been nebulous about locations around home (I think) but it wouldn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out The Boy™'s name... I will be more selective of which photos of The Young One get tossed into the public pile. Ones like the one at the Calgary Tower observation deck will likely still make it through the sentries. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dnorman/80300544/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/80300544_92885c60a5_m.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="I can see my house!" /></a> I’ve always been nebulous about locations around home (I think) but it wouldn’t take a rocket surgeon to figure out The Boy™’s name… I will be more selective of which photos of The Young One get tossed into the public pile. Ones like the one at the Calgary Tower observation deck will likely still make it through the sentries.

I can see my house!

]]> By: Roland Tanglao http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/02/01/deflickring/#comment-82962 Roland Tanglao Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1580231774#comment-82962 i have approximately 3000 "family" only pictures of our child on a separate flickr account, so i know what you are going thru i made the decision when the kid was born it's possible the kid might not like that decision and might want to be online but that's easily remedied. if that's the kid's wish i can easily make all 3000 public i have approximately 3000 “family” only pictures of our child on a separate flickr account, so i know what you are going thru

i made the decision when the kid was born

it’s possible the kid might not like that decision and might want to be online but that’s easily remedied. if that’s the kid’s wish i can easily make all 3000 public

]]> By: dnorman http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/02/01/deflickring/#comment-82968 dnorman Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1580231774#comment-82968 Comment from Leigh Blackall that got borked by the spam blocker. Akismet no likey him... I hear ya D'Arcy. I share your concerns (fear) but I'm concerned with the concern more... The heady and euphoric early days of our using these tools are leaving us. The fear and suspision is coming back. I know you mention that fact that you didn't ask your boy if you could post them.. but is that really the reason you set them to private? If it was, will you now take off all the pictures you have of others who may not know that they are on the giggest image database in the world? Will you now carry release forms with your camera? Will you support censorship of those that disregard these traditions of "respect" and "consideration" for others, such as an entire generation with camera phones? I'm not sure what to think. I know I preference the exciting, heady and euphoric days, and am sadened by this darker cloud coming over us. How does the saying go... "a life lived in fear is a life less lived.." all well and good, but is there something worth fearing here? What ever it is, is it hear and now, likely to be hear, or suspicious of coming in the next 10 years. Have we all read too much into 1984, Brave New World, Fahrenheit 451, etc? Has it instilled a spirit of fear in us all that is affecting our lives and direction? This old beauty of a movie may help (or not) <a href=" http://www.archive.org/details/Despotis1946">Despotism</a> for the most beautiful project in the world - Archive.org Comment from Leigh Blackall that got borked by the spam blocker. Akismet no likey him…

I hear ya D’Arcy. I share your concerns (fear) but I’m concerned with the concern more…

The heady and euphoric early days of our using these tools are leaving us. The fear and suspision is coming back. I know you mention that fact that you didn’t ask your boy if you could post them.. but is that really the reason you set them to private? If it was, will you now take off all the pictures you have of others who may not know that they are on the giggest image database in the world? Will you now carry release forms with your camera? Will you support censorship of those that disregard these traditions of “respect” and “consideration” for others, such as an entire generation with camera phones?

I’m not sure what to think. I know I preference the exciting, heady and euphoric days, and am sadened by this darker cloud coming over us.

How does the saying go… “a life lived in fear is a life less lived..” all well and good, but is there something worth fearing here? What ever it is, is it hear and now, likely to be hear, or suspicious of coming in the next 10 years.

Have we all read too much into 1984, Brave New World, Fahrenheit 451, etc? Has it instilled a spirit of fear in us all that is affecting our lives and direction?

This old beauty of a movie may help (or not) http://www.archive.org/details/Despotis1946“>Despotism for the most beautiful project in the world – Archive.org

]]> By: Stewart Marshall http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/02/01/deflickring/#comment-82970 Stewart Marshall Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1580231774#comment-82970 A friend of mine hadn't really thought about the privacy settings, putting all his stuff up as public. Then he put a picture up of his kids playing in the bath, replete with rubber duck! Next thing he knew was he had hundreds of views in very quick time. Normally, like me his shots clock up slower than the days in a year. So he started using friends/family. Encouraging as many friends as possible to have a flickr account was great. I admire your decision to give the kids choice, that's cool. I once took some photos of colleagues at work and that was a real education about how different people approach personal privacy. I try to respect that for others and abuse it for myself :-) A friend of mine hadn’t really thought about the privacy settings, putting all his stuff up as public. Then he put a picture up of his kids playing in the bath, replete with rubber duck!

Next thing he knew was he had hundreds of views in very quick time. Normally, like me his shots clock up slower than the days in a year.

So he started using friends/family. Encouraging as many friends as possible to have a flickr account was great.

I admire your decision to give the kids choice, that’s cool.

I once took some photos of colleagues at work and that was a real education about how different people approach personal privacy. I try to respect that for others and abuse it for myself :-)

]]> By: Josie Fraser http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/02/01/deflickring/#comment-82974 Josie Fraser Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1580231774#comment-82974 Hi D'Arcy - interesting post. I've always put up pictures of my son and friends and family' children as restricted. Partly it is the consent issue for me; partly I think I'm more protective over my home life as a single parent. Also, as someone in a position of helping kids and teachers of young people to become more net savvy, I like to lead by example - I don't post pictures of any one who hasn't agreed to have their picture publicly available, and for younger people keep names and locations/schools separate - i.e. if you give that information then its one or the other. Hi D’Arcy – interesting post. I’ve always put up pictures of my son and friends and family’ children as restricted. Partly it is the consent issue for me; partly I think I’m more protective over my home life as a single parent. Also, as someone in a position of helping kids and teachers of young people to become more net savvy, I like to lead by example – I don’t post pictures of any one who hasn’t agreed to have their picture publicly available, and for younger people keep names and locations/schools separate – i.e. if you give that information then its one or the other.

]]> By: Chris L http://www.darcynorman.net/2007/02/01/deflickring/#comment-82977 Chris L Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1580231774#comment-82977 I made the decision for my children when they were younger-- as is a parent's right and responsibility-- but as they got older I talked to them about it. I encourage them to lead open, shared lives as well. I think the benefits are great... but they know they have the option to ask me to remove/refrain, though it rarely comes up. My daughter has even started realizing the potential benefit of having pictures of herself which aren't only flattering-- she told me that "that's what a real person does, they show people who they are good and bad." We'll see how it goes. I am careful about personal data, of course, and I worry much more about my writing than my photos. I really censor myself there, though not in my journals which my children will inherit anyway :) I made the decision for my children when they were younger– as is a parent’s right and responsibility– but as they got older I talked to them about it. I encourage them to lead open, shared lives as well. I think the benefits are great… but they know they have the option to ask me to remove/refrain, though it rarely comes up. My daughter has even started realizing the potential benefit of having pictures of herself which aren’t only flattering– she told me that “that’s what a real person does, they show people who they are good and bad.”

We’ll see how it goes. I am careful about personal data, of course, and I worry much more about my writing than my photos. I really censor myself there, though not in my journals which my children will inherit anyway :)

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