Comments on: Drupal as Learning Object Repository http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/05/04/drupal-as-learning-object-repository/ medium >> message Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:30:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Trond http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/05/04/drupal-as-learning-object-repository/#comment-184059 Trond Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:56:41 +0000 560318156#comment-184059 Drupal is a good framework to use for this, especial if you want to have a focus on web 2.0 /community. You have a module/plug-in for almost everything toy need. And it is easy to make content types including support for metadata like IMS LOM. Drupal also comes in a educational package: http://drupaled.org/. The Norwegian organisation utdanning.no is using drupal to build a repository for learning content (or more like a publishing framework for educational content). version 1 is live at http://fag.utdanning.no Drupal is a good framework to use for this, especial if you want to have a focus on web 2.0 /community. You have a module/plug-in for almost everything toy need. And it is easy to make content types including support for metadata like IMS LOM. Drupal also comes in a educational package: http://drupaled.org/.

The Norwegian organisation utdanning.no is using drupal to build a repository for learning content (or more like a publishing framework for educational content). version 1 is live at http://fag.utdanning.no

]]> By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/05/04/drupal-as-learning-object-repository/#comment-81833 D'Arcy Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 560318156#comment-81833 Mike - I agree that the technology isn't the important part of the equation. It's just that SOOO much energy/effort/time/money has been spent building The One True Repository, when that could have all been better spent on professional devolpment, content development, etc. by just using Drupal (or something else - heck, even del.icio.us would do a decent job) pretty much stock off-the-shelf. As for the motivation, that's hard to capture. For CAREO, we had provincial funding to allocate staff to create and publish resources. It's good as a start, but doesn't scale. What seems to work best is to have a functional community of practice, with a defined set of participants, and provide them with the means to share resources. Mike - I agree that the technology isn’t the important part of the equation. It’s just that SOOO much energy/effort/time/money has been spent building The One True Repository, when that could have all been better spent on professional devolpment, content development, etc. by just using Drupal (or something else - heck, even del.icio.us would do a decent job) pretty much stock off-the-shelf.

As for the motivation, that’s hard to capture. For CAREO, we had provincial funding to allocate staff to create and publish resources. It’s good as a start, but doesn’t scale. What seems to work best is to have a functional community of practice, with a defined set of participants, and provide them with the means to share resources.

]]> By: XplanaZine http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/05/04/drupal-as-learning-object-repository/#comment-81834 XplanaZine Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 560318156#comment-81834 <strong>Daily Edublogging Update -- May 5, 2006...</strong> Here's a summary of ideas and conversations from the edublogging community that have captured our attention in the past 48 hours.... Daily Edublogging Update — May 5, 2006…

Here’s a summary of ideas and conversations from the edublogging community that have captured our attention in the past 48 hours….

]]> By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/05/04/drupal-as-learning-object-repository/#comment-81835 D'Arcy Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 560318156#comment-81835 Scott - I haven't seen anything specifically for IMS Content Packages in Drupal - but there is an integration between Drupal and Moodle that might let the content packages live happily in the LMS, while other activities live in Drupal... Scott - I haven’t seen anything specifically for IMS Content Packages in Drupal - but there is an integration between Drupal and Moodle that might let the content packages live happily in the LMS, while other activities live in Drupal…

]]> By: Scott Leslie http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/05/04/drupal-as-learning-object-repository/#comment-81836 Scott Leslie Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 560318156#comment-81836 Hey D'Arcy, are you aware of a module for Drupal that will dynamically preview IMS content packages? If not an existing one, how about PHP code from some other project that could be put to this task with Drupal? I know this wasn't one of the features of CAREO, but it is one that is (for better or worse, I'll leave that debate to others) that people seem to expect from their LORs. But your suggestion is a good one - if people back off defining their task so narrowly as 'I must implement a learning object repository' and instead focus on what they actually want people to be able to do (e.g. help people to share and find instructional resources of this and that type and...) then it is remarkable what other types of software and approaches can fit the bill. Something I've learned the hard way ;-) Cheers, Scott Hey D’Arcy, are you aware of a module for Drupal that will dynamically preview IMS content packages? If not an existing one, how about PHP code from some other project that could be put to this task with Drupal? I know this wasn’t one of the features of CAREO, but it is one that is (for better or worse, I’ll leave that debate to others) that people seem to expect from their LORs.

But your suggestion is a good one - if people back off defining their task so narrowly as ‘I must implement a learning object repository’ and instead focus on what they actually want people to be able to do (e.g. help people to share and find instructional resources of this and that type and…) then it is remarkable what other types of software and approaches can fit the bill. Something I’ve learned the hard way ;-)

Cheers, Scott

]]> By: Mike Roy http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/05/04/drupal-as-learning-object-repository/#comment-81837 Mike Roy Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 560318156#comment-81837 I'm intrigued by this post, largely because I thought the whole planet had left learning objects behind, and moved on to the seductive, subversive Web2.0. While it is no doubt correct that Drupal could achieve the same goals as a customized LO repository, what I was hoping for in the post was some advice on the more fundamental problem with repositories: what motivates someone to contribute? I've been working for years on a project called <a href="http://www.lolaexchange.org"> LoLa: Learning Objects, Learning Activities</a> and one insight that we've had is that you need to explain to ourselves and our (potential) users WHY they should spend their time typing into the boxes we provide. The core problem is not the technology, but the academic reward structure, which so far has no good way to reward people for this kind of contribution, and (as noted above) shows few signs of changing. -- mike I’m intrigued by this post, largely because I thought the whole planet had left learning objects behind, and moved on to the seductive, subversive Web2.0. While it is no doubt correct that Drupal could achieve the same goals as a customized LO repository, what I was hoping for in the post was some advice on the more fundamental problem with repositories: what motivates someone to contribute? I’ve been working for years on a project called LoLa: Learning Objects, Learning Activities and one insight that we’ve had is that you need to explain to ourselves and our (potential) users WHY they should spend their time typing into the boxes we provide. The core problem is not the technology, but the academic reward structure, which so far has no good way to reward people for this kind of contribution, and (as noted above) shows few signs of changing.

– mike

]]> By: Bill http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/05/04/drupal-as-learning-object-repository/#comment-81838 Bill Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 560318156#comment-81838 Now you tell me, after we spent all that money on The Learning Edge. ;-) Now you tell me, after we spent all that money on The Learning Edge. ;-)

]]> By: Christopher Harris http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/05/04/drupal-as-learning-object-repository/#comment-81839 Christopher Harris Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 560318156#comment-81839 Drupal is just way too cool! Sorry for the silly, lame comment, but I have been fighting with the login failure bug for a couple of months and just found a solution today and so was finally able to play with 4.7 (well, on my live server, worked fine on Apache-based EasyPHP test). Now I get to try and update my website to 4.7 and try to remember all the little bits I hacked here and there. Drupal is just way too cool!

Sorry for the silly, lame comment, but I have been fighting with the login failure bug for a couple of months and just found a solution today and so was finally able to play with 4.7 (well, on my live server, worked fine on Apache-based EasyPHP test). Now I get to try and update my website to 4.7 and try to remember all the little bits I hacked here and there.

]]> By: Martin Morrey http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/05/04/drupal-as-learning-object-repository/#comment-81884 Martin Morrey Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 560318156#comment-81884 <p>This is all great, more power to your elbow etc, but if organisations need to store, share and re-use complex e-learning content, they need a system which: </p><ul><li>understands IMS and SCORM packages</li><li>better still, imports and disagregates them</li><li>handles IEEE LOM metadata in a highly configurable way</li><li>supports federated searching and harvesting</li><li>has access and license-management features</li></ul><p>In this day and age, I'm not sure it is fair to call any system that does not do this, including Careo, a learning object repository, however useful it may be for keeping track of single files or links. Many groups have tried to apply generic document management, knowledge management and content management systems, of which there are a huge number, commercial and open source, to learning resources, but to get the full benefits of granularity and reusablity I firmly belive you need something that goes a bit deeper, which is why Intrallect created <a href="http://www.intrallect.com/products" target="_blank" title="intraLibrary Learning Object Repository system">the intraLibrary Learning Object Repository system</a>. </p><p>Oh yeh, it also does RSS <img src="/modules/tinymce-old/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />. </p><p>Cheers and best wishes,</p><p>Martin <br /></p> This is all great, more power to your elbow etc, but if organisations need to store, share and re-use complex e-learning content, they need a system which:

  • understands IMS and SCORM packages
  • better still, imports and disagregates them
  • handles IEEE LOM metadata in a highly configurable way
  • supports federated searching and harvesting
  • has access and license-management features

In this day and age, I'm not sure it is fair to call any system that does not do this, including Careo, a learning object repository, however useful it may be for keeping track of single files or links. Many groups have tried to apply generic document management, knowledge management and content management systems, of which there are a huge number, commercial and open source, to learning resources, but to get the full benefits of granularity and reusablity I firmly belive you need something that goes a bit deeper, which is why Intrallect created the intraLibrary Learning Object Repository system.

Oh yeh, it also does RSS Wink.

Cheers and best wishes,

Martin

]]> By: Frank Lowney http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/05/04/drupal-as-learning-object-repository/#comment-82452 Frank Lowney Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 560318156#comment-82452 In my work with faculty, it is clear that there are many, strong institutional disincentives to sharing. Chief among them is the prospect of compensation by commercial publishers. Why give something away for nothing when there is a chance, however remote, that someone will pay me for it? Other sentiments include the fear that reciprocity isn't forthcoming at all or is of lesser quality and usability. Why contribute when most of my colleagues will not do likewise? The perception is that there are far more "takers" than "givers." Attribution loss is another fear. CC licences notwithstanding, many fear that their work will be appropriated, stripped of attribution and sold or rented. Thus, I agree that this is a fundamental issue that hasn't been addressed well enough for the prospect of LORs or any device that relies on academic contributions to reach their full potential. In my work with faculty, it is clear that there are many, strong institutional disincentives to sharing. Chief among them is the prospect of compensation by commercial publishers. Why give something away for nothing when there is a chance, however remote, that someone will pay me for it?

Other sentiments include the fear that reciprocity isn’t forthcoming at all or is of lesser quality and usability. Why contribute when most of my colleagues will not do likewise? The perception is that there are far more “takers” than “givers.”

Attribution loss is another fear. CC licences notwithstanding, many fear that their work will be appropriated, stripped of attribution and sold or rented.

Thus, I agree that this is a fundamental issue that hasn’t been addressed well enough for the prospect of LORs or any device that relies on academic contributions to reach their full potential.

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