Comments on: Photographing Public Places Illegal in Calgary? http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/24/photographing-public-places-illegal-in-calgary/ apparently much happier in person Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:03:04 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Tammy http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/24/photographing-public-places-illegal-in-calgary/#comment-194930 Tammy Fri, 24 Apr 2009 04:10:56 +0000 1340106555#comment-194930 Yeah...if that was me, and I am a photographer...I would have said, fine I will give and show you everything you want with my lawyer present and holding your search warrant, until then, I am happy to provide you with my ID. Yeah…if that was me, and I am a photographer…I would have said, fine I will give and show you everything you want with my lawyer present and holding your search warrant, until then, I am happy to provide you with my ID.

]]> By: dean http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/24/photographing-public-places-illegal-in-calgary/#comment-81443 dean Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1340106555#comment-81443 Sami wrote," I feel I am pissing some higher powers off from the sounds my phone is making". D'arcy writes that Sami was referring to the"ring sound". Maybe I'm missing something. How do you figure that in the context it was used in the sentence? I'm glad you didn't waste any more type space responding to the rest of my comments. I really don't mean to offend and would not normally waste my time responding to any issues in this type of forum. I have to say this hit several nerves. I have been a fine upstanding citizen myself not unlike most people. During my lifetime I have had some contact with Police. One time I was taken down at gunpoint as I matched the description of a person that had just committed an armed robbery. I was also dealt with professionally as Sami. indicated he was. I didn't go WHINING to the Edmonton Sun. I also didn't change the story from being treated proffessional to being accosted.Etc etc. Grow up. This mentality is dangerous. Everyone talks about the powers of the Police. The truth is, we have stripped them of any powers. One of thousands of examples. (New years Hit and Run)Now Second degree murder. Accused is out on bail Because of his %$%$in rights he walks free, because he is presumed innocent until proven guilty by the all powerful courts. Same mentality as I see here. Hope none of you here ever become victims. Would love to see your points of view then. Time to get your heads out of your butts. Your paying them, time to start supporting them. Sami wrote,” I feel I am pissing some higher powers off from the sounds my phone is making”. D’arcy writes that Sami was referring to the”ring sound”. Maybe I’m missing something. How do you figure that in the context it was used in the sentence? I’m glad you didn’t waste any more type space responding to the rest of my comments.

I really don’t mean to offend and would not normally waste my time responding to any issues in this type of forum. I have to say this hit several nerves. I have been a fine upstanding citizen myself not unlike most people. During my lifetime I have had some contact with Police.

One time I was taken down at gunpoint as I matched the description of a person that had just committed an armed robbery. I was also dealt with professionally as Sami. indicated he was. I didn’t go WHINING to the Edmonton Sun. I also didn’t change the story from being treated proffessional to being accosted.Etc etc. Grow up. This mentality is dangerous.

Everyone talks about the powers of the Police. The truth is, we have stripped them of any powers. One of thousands of examples. (New years Hit and Run)Now Second degree murder. Accused is out on bail Because of his %$%$in rights he walks free, because he is presumed innocent until proven guilty by the all powerful courts. Same mentality as I see here. Hope none of you here ever become victims. Would love to see your points of view then. Time to get your heads out of your butts. Your paying them, time to start supporting them.

]]> By: Sami Khan http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/24/photographing-public-places-illegal-in-calgary/#comment-81444 Sami Khan Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1340106555#comment-81444 By the way Dean, I took your argument to mind when I wrote my initial blog entry. My response was not as what they did was wrong, but how I felt at the time, and was meant more as a warning to other individuals thinking about taking pictures on the C-Train, whether brown or not. It's not an easy issue, but it should be apparent what you're allowed to do or not. As D'Arcy pointed out there was/is significant material on C-Train's own website that is much more dangeous that any picture that can be taken. I like to know the law, if I am not aware of it, I can't follow it. "Everyone talks about the powers of the Police. The truth is, we have stripped them of any powers. One of thousands of examples. (New years Hit and Run)Now Second degree murder. Accused is out on bail Because of his %$%$in rights he walks free, because he is presumed innocent until proven guilty by the all powerful courts. Same mentality as I see here. Hope none of you here ever become victims. Would love to see your points of view then. Time to get your heads out of your butts. Your paying them, time to start supporting them." Your argument still stands as something that is problematic, but it's also the same argument that is used for creating a facist state. "Imagine this. A terrorist or other sick bastard is questioned by Police or some other evil person that society has entrusted as a person in authority to protect us. He asks what is in your back pack that smells like C 4. The terrorist say $$$$off because that is his right. The Police say . have a good trip and send him/her on his way. He/ she sits next to you. You exchange smiles and hello’s and hugs. Seconds later you and he/ she become one as the explosion unites your body parts and DNA as one. Guess you showed them imperialistic cops eh. We exercised our rights. Our system gives me a lot of confidence." Yes, well imagine this. A Brizillian immigrant runs through a train station. A number of men following him in plain clothes with guns. As he tries to get away then shoot him dead thinking he's a terrorist. The police then apologize and say that they were only doing their job. What if I had been more non-cooperative. I don't have to show ID, other than my train pass, and I don't have to show pictures. So what if I had done that and gotten in some more trouble with the police? What if I had ended up in the police station and due to the fact that I was still not been cooperative, been tasered... Say had a heart attack, and died. Our systems are set up the way that they're, to be innocent until proven guilty for very good reasons... To abandom them is to become one with our enemies, if you can't understand that, then the terrorists have won. By the way Dean, I took your argument to mind when I wrote my initial blog entry. My response was not as what they did was wrong, but how I felt at the time, and was meant more as a warning to other individuals thinking about taking pictures on the C-Train, whether brown or not. It’s not an easy issue, but it should be apparent what you’re allowed to do or not. As D’Arcy pointed out there was/is significant material on C-Train’s own website that is much more dangeous that any picture that can be taken. I like to know the law, if I am not aware of it, I can’t follow it.

“Everyone talks about the powers of the Police. The truth is, we have stripped them of any powers. One of thousands of examples. (New years Hit and Run)Now Second degree murder. Accused is out on bail Because of his %$%$in rights he walks free, because he is presumed innocent until proven guilty by the all powerful courts. Same mentality as I see here. Hope none of you here ever become victims. Would love to see your points of view then. Time to get your heads out of your butts. Your paying them, time to start supporting them.”

Your argument still stands as something that is problematic, but it’s also the same argument that is used for creating a facist state.

“Imagine this. A terrorist or other sick bastard is questioned by Police or some other evil person that society has entrusted as a person in authority to protect us. He asks what is in your back pack that smells like C 4. The terrorist say $$$$off because that is his right. The Police say . have a good trip and send him/her on his way. He/ she sits next to you. You exchange smiles and hello’s and hugs. Seconds later you and he/ she become one as the explosion unites your body parts and DNA as one. Guess you showed them imperialistic cops eh. We exercised our rights. Our system gives me a lot of confidence.”

Yes, well imagine this. A Brizillian immigrant runs through a train station. A number of men following him in plain clothes with guns. As he tries to get away then shoot him dead thinking he’s a terrorist. The police then apologize and say that they were only doing their job. What if I had been more non-cooperative. I don’t have to show ID, other than my train pass, and I don’t have to show pictures. So what if I had done that and gotten in some more trouble with the police? What if I had ended up in the police station and due to the fact that I was still not been cooperative, been tasered… Say had a heart attack, and died. Our systems are set up the way that they’re, to be innocent until proven guilty for very good reasons… To abandom them is to become one with our enemies, if you can’t understand that, then the terrorists have won.

]]> By: LRN http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/24/photographing-public-places-illegal-in-calgary/#comment-81445 LRN Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1340106555#comment-81445 Comments below... >>Yes, well imagine this. A Brizillian immigrant runs through a train station. A number of men following him in plain clothes with guns. As he tries to get away then shoot him dead thinking he’s a terrorist. The police then apologize and say that they were only doing their job.>What if I had been more non-cooperative. I don’t have to show ID, other than my train pass, and I don’t have to show pictures. So what if I had done that and gotten in some more trouble with the police? What if I had ended up in the police station and due to the fact that I was still not been cooperative, been tasered… Say had a heart attack, and died. Our systems are set up the way that they’re, to be innocent until proven guilty for very good reasons… To abandom them is to become one with our enemies, if you can’t understand that, then the terrorists have won. Comments below…

>>Yes, well imagine this. A Brizillian immigrant runs through a train station. A number of men following him in plain clothes with guns. As he tries to get away then shoot him dead thinking he’s a terrorist. The police then apologize and say that they were only doing their job.>What if I had been more non-cooperative. I don’t have to show ID, other than my train pass, and I don’t have to show pictures. So what if I had done that and gotten in some more trouble with the police? What if I had ended up in the police station and due to the fact that I was still not been cooperative, been tasered… Say had a heart attack, and died. Our systems are set up the way that they’re, to be innocent until proven guilty for very good reasons… To abandom them is to become one with our enemies, if you can’t understand that, then the terrorists have won.

]]> By: LRN http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/24/photographing-public-places-illegal-in-calgary/#comment-81446 LRN Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1340106555#comment-81446 [This is my second attempt to leave a reply - the software evidently decided to truncate by first message...] Comments below... ==Yes, well imagine this. A Brizillian immigrant runs through a train station. A number of men following him in plain clothes with guns. As he tries to get away then shoot him dead thinking he’s a terrorist. The police then apologize and say that they were only doing their job.== Imagine this: A Brazilian immigrant is followed by plainclothes cops in London. They follow him as he walks calmly into a Tube station, picks up a free newspaper, takes the escalator down to the train platform, boards the train, and sits down to read his paper. They then pile into the car, surround this passenger, force him to kneel down, and execute him on the spot with a volley of direct shots at point-blank range. The disconcerting thing about this hypothetical scenario? It's not hypothetical - this, apparently, is precisely what happened last summer in London. Law enforcement authorities, some of whom evidently have the aspirations of Gestapo wannabes, will run amok if they are not checked by aggressive public outrage and organized resistance. The sinister harassement and intimidation of innocent railway and transit photographers - which I have personally experienced firsthand - is but a relatively small aspect of the wider and even more dangerous environment of police-state methods and increasingly arbitrary, authoritarian measures justified by a cloak of "anti-terror" hysteria. >>What if I had been more non-cooperative. I don’t have to show ID, other than my train pass, and I don’t have to show pictures. So what if I had done that and gotten in some more trouble with the police? What if I had ended up in the police station and due to the fact that I was still not been cooperative, been tasered… Say had a heart attack, and died. Our systems are set up the way that they’re, to be innocent until proven guilty for very good reasons… To abandom them is to become one with our enemies, if you can’t understand that, then the terrorists have won. [This is my second attempt to leave a reply - the software evidently decided to truncate by first message...]

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==Yes, well imagine this. A Brizillian immigrant runs through a train station. A number of men following him in plain clothes with guns. As he tries to get away then shoot him dead thinking he’s a terrorist. The police then apologize and say that they were only doing their job.==

Imagine this: A Brazilian immigrant is followed by plainclothes cops in London. They follow him as he walks calmly into a Tube station, picks up a free newspaper, takes the escalator down to the train platform, boards the train, and sits down to read his paper. They then pile into the car, surround this passenger, force him to kneel down, and execute him on the spot with a volley of direct shots at point-blank range.

The disconcerting thing about this hypothetical scenario? It’s not hypothetical – this, apparently, is precisely what happened last summer in London.

Law enforcement authorities, some of whom evidently have the aspirations of Gestapo wannabes, will run amok if they are not checked by aggressive public outrage and organized resistance.

The sinister harassement and intimidation of innocent railway and transit photographers – which I have personally experienced firsthand – is but a relatively small aspect of the wider and even more dangerous environment of police-state methods and increasingly arbitrary, authoritarian measures justified by a cloak of “anti-terror” hysteria.

>>What if I had been more non-cooperative. I don’t have to show ID, other than my train pass, and I don’t have to show pictures. So what if I had done that and gotten in some more trouble with the police? What if I had ended up in the police station and due to the fact that I was still not been cooperative, been tasered… Say had a heart attack, and died. Our systems are set up the way that they’re, to be innocent until proven guilty for very good reasons… To abandom them is to become one with our enemies, if you can’t understand that, then the terrorists have won.

]]> By: David Richardson http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/24/photographing-public-places-illegal-in-calgary/#comment-81447 David Richardson Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1340106555#comment-81447 'Conservative' values don't seem to extend to the sanctity of personal information, do they? http://www.cbc.ca/calgary/story/ca-investigators20060223.html?ref=rss ‘Conservative’ values don’t seem to extend to the sanctity of personal information, do they?

http://www.cbc.ca/calgary/story/ca-investigators20060223.html?ref=rss

]]> By: gillian http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/24/photographing-public-places-illegal-in-calgary/#comment-81448 gillian Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1340106555#comment-81448 I hear about this stuff a lot. One likes to think that it doesn't happen in Canada, but it does. I know of several people who got their names written down by cops for just wandering around some less populated public areas. I do agree it's really stupid. Funny how taking photos is considered a "suspicious" activity. Do I look like a spy to you?!? I hear about this stuff a lot. One likes to think that it doesn’t happen in Canada, but it does. I know of several people who got their names written down by cops for just wandering around some less populated public areas.

I do agree it’s really stupid. Funny how taking photos is considered a “suspicious” activity. Do I look like a spy to you?!?

]]> By: Chris Garrett http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/24/photographing-public-places-illegal-in-calgary/#comment-81449 Chris Garrett Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1340106555#comment-81449 I blogged about it too, I am concerned that many people (myself included) have photographed the same things and not had any hassle. Is he unlucky, is this a new policy or is it something else ..? I blogged about it too, I am concerned that many people (myself included) have photographed the same things and not had any hassle. Is he unlucky, is this a new policy or is it something else ..?

]]> By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/24/photographing-public-places-illegal-in-calgary/#comment-81450 D'Arcy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1340106555#comment-81450 I'm more concerned about the "well, that's the new reality of security" BS. It's not ok, no matter what colour the skin. He likely just got "lucky" in that a bored undercover officer was nearby. I'd hope the same treatment would have been given to anyone, and not some pigmentally oriented profile... I’m more concerned about the “well, that’s the new reality of security” BS. It’s not ok, no matter what colour the skin. He likely just got “lucky” in that a bored undercover officer was nearby. I’d hope the same treatment would have been given to anyone, and not some pigmentally oriented profile…

]]> By: Chris Garrett http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/24/photographing-public-places-illegal-in-calgary/#comment-81451 Chris Garrett Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1340106555#comment-81451 Yeah. The "new world we live in post 911" crapola is quite disturbing. They even use it in the uk despite everyone here believing the IRA had already tested their anti-terror approaches quite substantially before 2001. Case in point, compulsory ID cards with no-questions stop and search powers. Despite the fact they didn't stop the Madrid bombings and the fact the 911 terrorists on paper had clean ID. But apparently post 911 we need to have less freedoms to stop us all being gassed in our beds. George Orwell couldn't write this stuff ;O) Yeah. The “new world we live in post 911″ crapola is quite disturbing. They even use it in the uk despite everyone here believing the IRA had already tested their anti-terror approaches quite substantially before 2001.

Case in point, compulsory ID cards with no-questions stop and search powers. Despite the fact they didn’t stop the Madrid bombings and the fact the 911 terrorists on paper had clean ID. But apparently post 911 we need to have less freedoms to stop us all being gassed in our beds. George Orwell couldn’t write this stuff ;O)

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