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		<title>By: Michael Hotrum</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/18/drupal-to-elgg-migration/#comment-121279</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hotrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&#039;Arcy et al - I&#039;m struggling with a number of issues with the various Elgg installs I have (not the least of whioch is to drive community interaction) but just from an operational level:

1. What considerations have you gone through to decide between web host or self host?
2. What concerns do you have about personal security/confidentiality? 

I know these are things I should bring up in elgg forum, but hey, post often, post many and responses may come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;Arcy et al &#8211; I&#8217;m struggling with a number of issues with the various Elgg installs I have (not the least of whioch is to drive community interaction) but just from an operational level:</p>
<p>1. What considerations have you gone through to decide between web host or self host?<br />
2. What concerns do you have about personal security/confidentiality? </p>
<p>I know these are things I should bring up in elgg forum, but hey, post often, post many and responses may come.</p>
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		<title>By: dnorman</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/18/drupal-to-elgg-migration/#comment-120826</link>
		<dc:creator>dnorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Don: Nope. sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Don: Nope. sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Albrecht</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/18/drupal-to-elgg-migration/#comment-120732</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Albrecht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI all,

I&#039;m looking to do the opposite and migrate from elgg to drupal.  Any one have any experience with this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI all,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking to do the opposite and migrate from elgg to drupal.  Any one have any experience with this?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Fitzgerald</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/18/drupal-to-elgg-migration/#comment-81412</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, Darcy,

I haven&#039;t yet done a Drupal to Elgg migration, but I just took a look at the table structure of Elgg, and (famous last words here) it might not be that hard.

In the migration, the &lt;i&gt;ident&lt;/i&gt; fielg in Elgg&#039;s &quot;users&quot; table corresponds to the &lt;i&gt;uid&lt;/i&gt; in Drupal&#039;s &quot;users&quot; table, and migrating the basic user data would be pretty straighforward.

Then, the values in Drupal&#039;s &quot;node&quot; table would be mapped to Elgg&#039;s &quot;weblog_posts&quot; table; comments would be moved from Drupal&#039;s &quot;comment&quot; table to Elgg&#039;s &quot;weblog_comment&quot; table.

Drupal&#039;s taxonomy would be recreated on Elgg&#039;s &quot;tags&quot; table -- 

It looks like weblogs.ucalgary.ca is using Drupal&#039;s Organic Groups module. The groups could be re-created within Elgg&#039;s &quot;groups&quot; and  &quot;group_membership&quot; tables. 

Obviously, there would be a whole lot of tweaking, but at first glance it seems like a manageable job -- it looks like you have under 400 posts at weblogs.ucalgary.edu, which would make it even more manageable.

RE &lt;blockquote&gt;Also, itâ€™s not that Drupal isnâ€™t working out, itâ€™s just that weblogs.ucalgary.ca doesnâ€™t have the right feel - itâ€™s not a personal environment, itâ€™s a commune.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zacker.org&quot;&gt;Zack Rosen&lt;/a&gt; had a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zacker.org/elgg-vs-drupal-floss-competition&quot;&gt;post on his blog&lt;/a&gt; where he was advocating combining Drupal and Elgg -- you are right on when you identify that Drupal is not a personal environment. Drupal and Elgg are both great projects, but they do things with a different emphasis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Darcy,</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t yet done a Drupal to Elgg migration, but I just took a look at the table structure of Elgg, and (famous last words here) it might not be that hard.</p>
<p>In the migration, the <i>ident</i> fielg in Elgg&#8217;s &#8220;users&#8221; table corresponds to the <i>uid</i> in Drupal&#8217;s &#8220;users&#8221; table, and migrating the basic user data would be pretty straighforward.</p>
<p>Then, the values in Drupal&#8217;s &#8220;node&#8221; table would be mapped to Elgg&#8217;s &#8220;weblog_posts&#8221; table; comments would be moved from Drupal&#8217;s &#8220;comment&#8221; table to Elgg&#8217;s &#8220;weblog_comment&#8221; table.</p>
<p>Drupal&#8217;s taxonomy would be recreated on Elgg&#8217;s &#8220;tags&#8221; table &#8212; </p>
<p>It looks like weblogs.ucalgary.ca is using Drupal&#8217;s Organic Groups module. The groups could be re-created within Elgg&#8217;s &#8220;groups&#8221; and  &#8220;group_membership&#8221; tables. </p>
<p>Obviously, there would be a whole lot of tweaking, but at first glance it seems like a manageable job &#8212; it looks like you have under 400 posts at weblogs.ucalgary.edu, which would make it even more manageable.</p>
<p>RE<br />
<blockquote>Also, itâ€™s not that Drupal isnâ€™t working out, itâ€™s just that weblogs.ucalgary.ca doesnâ€™t have the right feel &#8211; itâ€™s not a personal environment, itâ€™s a commune.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.zacker.org">Zack Rosen</a> had a <a href="http://www.zacker.org/elgg-vs-drupal-floss-competition">post on his blog</a> where he was advocating combining Drupal and Elgg &#8212; you are right on when you identify that Drupal is not a personal environment. Drupal and Elgg are both great projects, but they do things with a different emphasis.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Fitzgerald</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/18/drupal-to-elgg-migration/#comment-81413</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One quick edit:

RE &lt;blockquote&gt;It looks like weblogs.ucalgary.ca is using Drupalâ€™s Organic Groups module. The groups could be re-created within Elggâ€™s â€œgroupsâ€ and â€œgroup_membershipâ€ tables.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Depending on whether you wanted Drupal&#039;s OG&#039;s to become Elgg communities or access groups, you would use either Elgg&#039;s Elggâ€™s â€œgroupsâ€ and â€œgroup_membershipâ€ tables (for access groups) or Elgg&#039;s &quot;users&quot; table (for communities) -- either way, though, it&#039;s just a field mapping issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One quick edit:</p>
<p>RE<br />
<blockquote>It looks like weblogs.ucalgary.ca is using Drupalâ€™s Organic Groups module. The groups could be re-created within Elggâ€™s â€œgroupsâ€ and â€œgroup_membershipâ€ tables.</p></blockquote>
<p>Depending on whether you wanted Drupal&#8217;s OG&#8217;s to become Elgg communities or access groups, you would use either Elgg&#8217;s Elggâ€™s â€œgroupsâ€ and â€œgroup_membershipâ€ tables (for access groups) or Elgg&#8217;s &#8220;users&#8221; table (for communities) &#8212; either way, though, it&#8217;s just a field mapping issue.</p>
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		<title>By: D'Arcy</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/18/drupal-to-elgg-migration/#comment-81414</link>
		<dc:creator>D'Arcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, thanks for the thoughts. I hadn&#039;t realized that Organic Groups could be replicated within Elgg. Very cool. When I get a chance I&#039;ll try to do a conversion between databases. Makes me a bit nervous, as I&#039;m sure there are subtlties in both systems that I&#039;ll overlook.

I just found some code that adds LDAP authentication to Elgg, so that will help:
http://elgg.net/elggcoding/weblog/3049.html

Now to figure out how to map users between the 2 systems, and migrate Drupal nodes to Elgg tables...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, thanks for the thoughts. I hadn&#8217;t realized that Organic Groups could be replicated within Elgg. Very cool. When I get a chance I&#8217;ll try to do a conversion between databases. Makes me a bit nervous, as I&#8217;m sure there are subtlties in both systems that I&#8217;ll overlook.</p>
<p>I just found some code that adds LDAP authentication to Elgg, so that will help:<br />
<a href="http://elgg.net/elggcoding/weblog/3049.html" rel="nofollow">http://elgg.net/elggcoding/weblog/3049.html</a></p>
<p>Now to figure out how to map users between the 2 systems, and migrate Drupal nodes to Elgg tables&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/18/drupal-to-elgg-migration/#comment-81415</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi D&#039;Arcy,

Jim Klein has also constructed some LDAP code for his installation, this might be useful.

Code: http://elgg.net/elggcoding/files/1036

His site: http://webapps.saugus.k12.ca.us/community

We are keen to look at how Elgg can integrate with other software - no point replicating functionality - we would be interested in listening to any advice you may have on this, especially relating to Drupal.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi D&#8217;Arcy,</p>
<p>Jim Klein has also constructed some LDAP code for his installation, this might be useful.</p>
<p>Code: <a href="http://elgg.net/elggcoding/files/1036" rel="nofollow">http://elgg.net/elggcoding/files/1036</a></p>
<p>His site: <a href="http://webapps.saugus.k12.ca.us/community" rel="nofollow">http://webapps.saugus.k12.ca.us/community</a></p>
<p>We are keen to look at how Elgg can integrate with other software &#8211; no point replicating functionality &#8211; we would be interested in listening to any advice you may have on this, especially relating to Drupal.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/18/drupal-to-elgg-migration/#comment-81416</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&#039;Arcy, I would just push back a second that hosting services are no longer required; the thing for me that was highlighted in the NV sessions and in other discussions is that for these to really succeed, we need to get an intelligent re-mixing environment (a.k.a. &#039;eduglu&#039;) happening, but that doesn&#039;t have to be at the sake of providing hosting services. I think it&#039;s important not to overestimate the saviness of the user population (nor under-estimate it either) and so rather than being an either/or, I think it&#039;s a both/and, but maybe we&#039;re realizing that we&#039;ve been ignoring the re-mix/aggregation side, and that this is what will ultimately offer the freedom of choice that seems important for people to have ownership and authentically engage. So I would still see this investigation into a hosting platform as important, but, as I think you say, maybe not as important as it once seemed. Cheers, Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;Arcy, I would just push back a second that hosting services are no longer required; the thing for me that was highlighted in the NV sessions and in other discussions is that for these to really succeed, we need to get an intelligent re-mixing environment (a.k.a. &#8216;eduglu&#8217;) happening, but that doesn&#8217;t have to be at the sake of providing hosting services. I think it&#8217;s important not to overestimate the saviness of the user population (nor under-estimate it either) and so rather than being an either/or, I think it&#8217;s a both/and, but maybe we&#8217;re realizing that we&#8217;ve been ignoring the re-mix/aggregation side, and that this is what will ultimately offer the freedom of choice that seems important for people to have ownership and authentically engage. So I would still see this investigation into a hosting platform as important, but, as I think you say, maybe not as important as it once seemed. Cheers, Scott</p>
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		<title>By: D'Arcy</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/18/drupal-to-elgg-migration/#comment-81417</link>
		<dc:creator>D'Arcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott - Right... Which is why I&#039;m re-evaluating the weblogs hosting package to see if I can find a way to let users &quot;find their own voices&quot; if they decide to use it as their blog host. Drupal/Elgg/WPMU would all fit the bill for that side of things, and Eduglu/Gregarius would work from the other end of things. It&#039;s the combination of the two approaches that would be most effective - can&#039;t ignore one for the other.

As much as I&#039;d love to turf the hosting side, many users on campus will still want a provided solution (at least for now) so I kind of need to make sure a decent on-campus hosting option is available even as I evangelize about the powers of having your own personal off-site hosting.

Eduglu etc... should be able to adapt to use whatever people are publishing, wherever they do it, so it won&#039;t care if it&#039;s an on- or off-campus host...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott &#8211; Right&#8230; Which is why I&#8217;m re-evaluating the weblogs hosting package to see if I can find a way to let users &#8220;find their own voices&#8221; if they decide to use it as their blog host. Drupal/Elgg/WPMU would all fit the bill for that side of things, and Eduglu/Gregarius would work from the other end of things. It&#8217;s the combination of the two approaches that would be most effective &#8211; can&#8217;t ignore one for the other.</p>
<p>As much as I&#8217;d love to turf the hosting side, many users on campus will still want a provided solution (at least for now) so I kind of need to make sure a decent on-campus hosting option is available even as I evangelize about the powers of having your own personal off-site hosting.</p>
<p>Eduglu etc&#8230; should be able to adapt to use whatever people are publishing, wherever they do it, so it won&#8217;t care if it&#8217;s an on- or off-campus host&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2006/02/18/drupal-to-elgg-migration/#comment-81418</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&#039;Arcy,

I haven&#039;t done a migration. So I can&#039;t help there. But I have had WPMU up and running for almost five months. I like it. I looked at ELGG before setting up WPMU and just didn&#039;t like the feel. I did like that users could customize their theme, this is a short coming of WPMU. I guess I&#039;m just offering to be a resource for WPMU.

One thing that is troubling is the table structure in WPMU. Each user gets 9 tables in the DB. The developers have WordPress.com set up to run on a INNODB and a cluster, I think. But there is a fairly substantial difference between the WordPress.com code and WPMU code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;Arcy,</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t done a migration. So I can&#8217;t help there. But I have had WPMU up and running for almost five months. I like it. I looked at ELGG before setting up WPMU and just didn&#8217;t like the feel. I did like that users could customize their theme, this is a short coming of WPMU. I guess I&#8217;m just offering to be a resource for WPMU.</p>
<p>One thing that is troubling is the table structure in WPMU. Each user gets 9 tables in the DB. The developers have WordPress.com set up to run on a INNODB and a cluster, I think. But there is a fairly substantial difference between the WordPress.com code and WPMU code.</p>
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