Comments on: Canadian Political Parties and “Web 2.0″ http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/12/07/canadian-political-parties-and-web-2-0/ just a lowly edtech geek, mumble mumble university of calgary Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:18:11 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/12/07/canadian-political-parties-and-web-2-0/#comment-80715 D'Arcy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 647645260#comment-80715 Thanks for the link, d. Japanese politics seems a bit more highly strung, too :-) I'm just a bit depressed that we're heading into yet another lowest-common-denominator election, and that the denominator is just so mind numbingly <em>low</em>. I'm pretty sure anyone could win a majority this time around by promising a Wal-Mart on every corner... Thanks for the link, d. Japanese politics seems a bit more highly strung, too :-)

I’m just a bit depressed that we’re heading into yet another lowest-common-denominator election, and that the denominator is just so mind numbingly low. I’m pretty sure anyone could win a majority this time around by promising a Wal-Mart on every corner…

]]> By: davidicus http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/12/07/canadian-political-parties-and-web-2-0/#comment-80716 davidicus Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 647645260#comment-80716 your answer, sir: http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0920/p01s04-woap.htm your answer, sir:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0920/p01s04-woap.htm

]]> By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/12/07/canadian-political-parties-and-web-2-0/#comment-80717 D'Arcy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 647645260#comment-80717 d - it's not detail I crave - I need to know that the person whom I elect to represent me is, in fact, real, and not a construct of focus groups and PR monkeys. The problem is that anyone with character or convictions is immediately dismissed as not having "mass appeal" - which I find abysmally depressing. We end up with Britney Spears for Prime Minister. Gag. I'm a blogging community residents' association director. no clue if it would work any higher up. I'm half tempted to find out :-) d – it’s not detail I crave – I need to know that the person whom I elect to represent me is, in fact, real, and not a construct of focus groups and PR monkeys.

The problem is that anyone with character or convictions is immediately dismissed as not having “mass appeal” – which I find abysmally depressing. We end up with Britney Spears for Prime Minister. Gag.

I’m a blogging community residents’ association director. no clue if it would work any higher up. I’m half tempted to find out :-)

]]> By: Rob Wall http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/12/07/canadian-political-parties-and-web-2-0/#comment-80718 Rob Wall Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 647645260#comment-80718 <em>Marijuana Party: Using SPIP. </em> Hmmm - I wonder if they picked it because its close to "spliff" I've been looking at some of the same stuff on my blog at http://stigmergicweb.org/index.php/archives/2005/12/01/oh-boy-its-election-time-once-again Marijuana Party: Using SPIP.

Hmmm – I wonder if they picked it because its close to “spliff”

I’ve been looking at some of the same stuff on my blog at http://stigmergicweb.org/index.php/archives/2005/12/01/oh-boy-its-election-time-once-again

]]> By: davidicus http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/12/07/canadian-political-parties-and-web-2-0/#comment-80719 davidicus Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 647645260#comment-80719 the masses will not vote for an individual--they are too unique, and there will be countless edges of friction. only a massaged, homogenized representation can appear similar enough, although too often overpolished. personal political blogging makes less sense the more (variety of) people one hopes to represent. i doubt even a mayor could get away with it, but perhaps a PTA president or something could. or, are you just craving more micro detail? reporting daily on experience (informal voice) rather than every so often in press-release fashion (corporate voice) could be compelling. the masses will not vote for an individual–they are too unique, and there will be countless edges of friction. only a massaged, homogenized representation can appear similar enough, although too often overpolished. personal political blogging makes less sense the more (variety of) people one hopes to represent. i doubt even a mayor could get away with it, but perhaps a PTA president or something could.

or, are you just craving more micro detail? reporting daily on experience (informal voice) rather than every so often in press-release fashion (corporate voice) could be compelling.

]]> By: Abject Learning http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/12/07/canadian-political-parties-and-web-2-0/#comment-80720 Abject Learning Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 647645260#comment-80720 <strong>Politics 2.0?</strong> I started this as a comment to D'Arcy's post on how Canada's political parties stack up as adopters of social software, but since my output here is so slim, I decided to cut and paste it into my own space. D'Arcy and Rob before him make lots of goo... Politics 2.0?

I started this as a comment to D’Arcy’s post on how Canada’s political parties stack up as adopters of social software, but since my output here is so slim, I decided to cut and paste it into my own space. D’Arcy and Rob before him make lots of goo…

]]> By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/12/07/canadian-political-parties-and-web-2-0/#comment-80721 D'Arcy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 647645260#comment-80721 Sami - good points. I concede the country to the crowds at Wal Mart. I'll just have to suck it up, and keep some Guinness handy to help numb the pain :-) Sami – good points. I concede the country to the crowds at Wal Mart. I’ll just have to suck it up, and keep some Guinness handy to help numb the pain :-)

]]> By: Sami Khan http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/12/07/canadian-political-parties-and-web-2-0/#comment-80722 Sami Khan Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 647645260#comment-80722 Well there is always genetic engineering ;). I could write a nice Sci-Fi blurb which may even be possible in the next 20-50 years, but I'll save you that. The way that I see it, this is as good as it's going to get for now, just have to accept it and live your life. Even if you had all the solutions, it's not that likely that anyone would listen to you in your lifetime, I however doubt any of us really have even a clue about any potential solutions. These discussions have been had a million times over, and will happen a million times over yet again in all the pubs, cafes, lecture halls -- you get the picture... The discussion will yield no actionable results. The point is that liberal democracy produces this outcome and having a deep understanding of the situation (perhaps I am being full of my self) yields for me the opinion that though things could be improved slightly in terms of side effects on the individual level, these systems really can't be improved upon with the implicit goal of for the people, by the people considering who the people actually are: Look up the statistics in Canada for how many people actually attend post-secondary. If you however want to consider other systems, I have a few ideas, but then again they are ideas and perhaps the outcome they might produce may be a million times worse than liberal democracy or so they tell me. Enjoy your time here, it's short, make it sweet. :) Well there is always genetic engineering ;) . I could write a nice Sci-Fi blurb which may even be possible in the next 20-50 years, but I’ll save you that. The way that I see it, this is as good as it’s going to get for now, just have to accept it and live your life. Even if you had all the solutions, it’s not that likely that anyone would listen to you in your lifetime, I however doubt any of us really have even a clue about any potential solutions.

These discussions have been had a million times over, and will happen a million times over yet again in all the pubs, cafes, lecture halls — you get the picture… The discussion will yield no actionable results. The point is that liberal democracy produces this outcome and having a deep understanding of the situation (perhaps I am being full of my self) yields for me the opinion that though things could be improved slightly in terms of side effects on the individual level, these systems really can’t be improved upon with the implicit goal of for the people, by the people considering who the people actually are: Look up the statistics in Canada for how many people actually attend post-secondary.

If you however want to consider other systems, I have a few ideas, but then again they are ideas and perhaps the outcome they might produce may be a million times worse than liberal democracy or so they tell me. Enjoy your time here, it’s short, make it sweet. :)

]]> By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/12/07/canadian-political-parties-and-web-2-0/#comment-80723 D'Arcy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 647645260#comment-80723 yeah yeah. I know... Democracy has issues, and I guess what I'm suggesting isn't really democracy after all. It's just that the masses are so mediocre - perhaps by definition, perhaps because we've let ourselves go downhill pretty far - but I just have this nagging feeling that there has got to be a better way to run a country than by pandering to the lowest common denominator. Maybe we just need to work really hard to help educate/enlighten the lowest common denominators... Benevolent dictatorships only work for the dictators, so I guess we're stuck with figuring out how to fix the current system ;-) yeah yeah. I know… Democracy has issues, and I guess what I’m suggesting isn’t really democracy after all. It’s just that the masses are so mediocre – perhaps by definition, perhaps because we’ve let ourselves go downhill pretty far – but I just have this nagging feeling that there has got to be a better way to run a country than by pandering to the lowest common denominator. Maybe we just need to work really hard to help educate/enlighten the lowest common denominators… Benevolent dictatorships only work for the dictators, so I guess we’re stuck with figuring out how to fix the current system ;-)

]]> By: davidicus http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/12/07/canadian-political-parties-and-web-2-0/#comment-80724 davidicus Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 647645260#comment-80724 truly perform? without caring what everyone they represent thinks? maybe if your name is Mussolini, (or even Trudeau). let's just say there's a lot of risk there. you point out no fatal flaws. elected officials are still elected by a majority. when you are smarter than, blacker than, gayer than, conservativer than nine out of ten of the people for three thousand miles, how how how can you be surprised the country's leader isn't? the scripts just round off the jagged edges.everyone wants to represent themselves at their best. that's why you take your time typing your entries, and probably use backspace and pause frequently. truly perform? without caring what everyone they represent thinks? maybe if your name is Mussolini, (or even Trudeau). let’s just say there’s a lot of risk there.

you point out no fatal flaws. elected officials are still elected by a majority. when you are smarter than, blacker than, gayer than, conservativer than nine out of ten of the people for three thousand miles, how how how can you be surprised the country’s leader isn’t?

the scripts just round off the jagged edges.everyone wants to represent themselves at their best. that’s why you take your time typing your entries, and probably use backspace and pause frequently.

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