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		<title>By: Geoff Buhl</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/09/02/katrina-5-days-to-respond/#comment-80130</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Buhl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly New Orleans is not an ideal place to build a city.  However, it is a premier location to build a port.  It&#039;s not surprising that a city sprung up there.  San Francisco is another great place for a port and a mediocre place for a city.  It is inevitable that a cities will develop around such centers of commerce.  At best you can only hope to mitigate disaster.  Unfortunately, this did not happen.

Outrage will come later, slightly subdued, as we learn of neglect and other failures that enhanced this tragedy.  For now, I think the much of the American populus is focused on how to help.  The scope of the disaster is still difficult to fathom, and finger pointing will not help the neediest.

Certainly all aspects of the situation are staggering.  The scope of the disaster, the breakdown of civilized society, the sluggish response are all failures. In time, we will have opportunity to dwell on these, but now energy is better spent alievating distress, and rebuilding the Gulf Coast.  Outrage is not what is needed.  Empathy and assistance is the order of the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly New Orleans is not an ideal place to build a city.  However, it is a premier location to build a port.  It&#8217;s not surprising that a city sprung up there.  San Francisco is another great place for a port and a mediocre place for a city.  It is inevitable that a cities will develop around such centers of commerce.  At best you can only hope to mitigate disaster.  Unfortunately, this did not happen.</p>
<p>Outrage will come later, slightly subdued, as we learn of neglect and other failures that enhanced this tragedy.  For now, I think the much of the American populus is focused on how to help.  The scope of the disaster is still difficult to fathom, and finger pointing will not help the neediest.</p>
<p>Certainly all aspects of the situation are staggering.  The scope of the disaster, the breakdown of civilized society, the sluggish response are all failures. In time, we will have opportunity to dwell on these, but now energy is better spent alievating distress, and rebuilding the Gulf Coast.  Outrage is not what is needed.  Empathy and assistance is the order of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Lowell</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/09/02/katrina-5-days-to-respond/#comment-80131</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Lowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trust me. 

&quot;Outrage&quot; is too pale a term. 

And there&#039;s a mid-term election next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust me. </p>
<p>&#8220;Outrage&#8221; is too pale a term. </p>
<p>And there&#8217;s a mid-term election next year.</p>
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		<title>By: D'Arcy</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/09/02/katrina-5-days-to-respond/#comment-80132</link>
		<dc:creator>D'Arcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little surprised there hasn&#039;t been any military air support laying down covering fire for the rescue helicopters, as they would in any other large scale rescue mission where armed militants were shooting at them.

I&#039;m hoping the situation isn&#039;t quite as dire as it&#039;s made out to be - otherwise it would mean the area (and those left behind) had been essentially written off as acceptable losses in order to facilitate the evacuation of the rest of the city - the ones that had the means to get themselves out of town.

Darwinian politics at its best...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little surprised there hasn&#8217;t been any military air support laying down covering fire for the rescue helicopters, as they would in any other large scale rescue mission where armed militants were shooting at them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping the situation isn&#8217;t quite as dire as it&#8217;s made out to be &#8211; otherwise it would mean the area (and those left behind) had been essentially written off as acceptable losses in order to facilitate the evacuation of the rest of the city &#8211; the ones that had the means to get themselves out of town.</p>
<p>Darwinian politics at its best&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Helge Staedtler</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/09/02/katrina-5-days-to-respond/#comment-80133</link>
		<dc:creator>Helge Staedtler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think these kind of catastrophes are not that easily foreseeable as you think. I mean Geoff is damn right that San Francisco is a town which perhaps could be totally damaged tomorrow if the &quot;big bang&quot; happens tomorrow and it is for sure such a huge earthquake WILL happen! No evacuationplan of the planet will avoid this to happen. People will die for sure!

What makes me feel sorry really is that there seems to be no warm solidarity beween the rest of USA and there fellows in the south. Otherwise one might have heard some stronger signals. For people of Europe it seems as if people living in New Orleans were not seen as equally &quot;valuable&quot; humans and fellows as e.g. Army Troops in the Gulf.

The problem is also, that a nation like the US has made clear in the last years under Bush that they do not want to cooperate with people from abroad (except perhaps china). This makes it not that easy for other nations to help now, because on the one side the US has to say &quot;Sorry about our behaviour of the past, but now we need your help!&quot; and the other countries have to say &quot;Well, yeah nice you are sorry, no problem for us, we will help you if you let us help&quot;.

In respect to communications the US is having many dissence between its own country and other countries of this planet, this makes it problematic for others to help. You won&#039;t help someone who is recognized as an arrogant and unfriendly person at least it would not be easy even with god at your side.

Perhaps god has send a sign to several nations sending this kind of disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think these kind of catastrophes are not that easily foreseeable as you think. I mean Geoff is damn right that San Francisco is a town which perhaps could be totally damaged tomorrow if the &#8220;big bang&#8221; happens tomorrow and it is for sure such a huge earthquake WILL happen! No evacuationplan of the planet will avoid this to happen. People will die for sure!</p>
<p>What makes me feel sorry really is that there seems to be no warm solidarity beween the rest of USA and there fellows in the south. Otherwise one might have heard some stronger signals. For people of Europe it seems as if people living in New Orleans were not seen as equally &#8220;valuable&#8221; humans and fellows as e.g. Army Troops in the Gulf.</p>
<p>The problem is also, that a nation like the US has made clear in the last years under Bush that they do not want to cooperate with people from abroad (except perhaps china). This makes it not that easy for other nations to help now, because on the one side the US has to say &#8220;Sorry about our behaviour of the past, but now we need your help!&#8221; and the other countries have to say &#8220;Well, yeah nice you are sorry, no problem for us, we will help you if you let us help&#8221;.</p>
<p>In respect to communications the US is having many dissence between its own country and other countries of this planet, this makes it problematic for others to help. You won&#8217;t help someone who is recognized as an arrogant and unfriendly person at least it would not be easy even with god at your side.</p>
<p>Perhaps god has send a sign to several nations sending this kind of disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: D'Arcy</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/09/02/katrina-5-days-to-respond/#comment-80134</link>
		<dc:creator>D'Arcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s difficult to offer help to the class bully. Humanity and civility pretty much demand that we all do just that. The politics of the nation are irrelevant - we&#039;re talking about helping people, not the regime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s difficult to offer help to the class bully. Humanity and civility pretty much demand that we all do just that. The politics of the nation are irrelevant &#8211; we&#8217;re talking about helping people, not the regime.</p>
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		<title>By: Helge Staedtler</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/09/02/katrina-5-days-to-respond/#comment-80135</link>
		<dc:creator>Helge Staedtler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that help is what humanity just demands. Sometimes it is easy to help sometimes it is not (this is valid for all people). I do not agree that the politics of a nation are irrelevant in such a scenario. Think of the submarine &quot;Kursk&quot; which sank during a maneuver of the russian fleet.

No politics are clearly not irrelevant they are the hugest hurdle in the way! The politics of a nation should be what the majority of the nation agrees on (especially in respect to communication, humanity and freedom) and this special form of politics is called a democracy.

Sorry I cannot agree on your point that politics are irrelevant! If they are irrelevant in such an important situation then please tell me when is the time politics are relevant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that help is what humanity just demands. Sometimes it is easy to help sometimes it is not (this is valid for all people). I do not agree that the politics of a nation are irrelevant in such a scenario. Think of the submarine &#8220;Kursk&#8221; which sank during a maneuver of the russian fleet.</p>
<p>No politics are clearly not irrelevant they are the hugest hurdle in the way! The politics of a nation should be what the majority of the nation agrees on (especially in respect to communication, humanity and freedom) and this special form of politics is called a democracy.</p>
<p>Sorry I cannot agree on your point that politics are irrelevant! If they are irrelevant in such an important situation then please tell me when is the time politics are relevant?</p>
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		<title>By: D'Arcy</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/09/02/katrina-5-days-to-respond/#comment-80136</link>
		<dc:creator>D'Arcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the Kursk, nations were trying to help in spite of the insistence by the Russians that everything was under control. Help was offered (and later accepted) in spite of the politics. What I thought you were suggesting was that help would not be offered because of the politics of the regime in the US. I think there is no chance of help being withheld for any reason.

Also, I think that politics are largely irrelevant in the case of these types of disasters. Politics are nothing more than artificial constructs for imposing order on (and occasionally by and/or for) a population. When that goes out the window, as in the case of NOLA, the politics are irrelevant. It doesn&#039;t matter if the White House was full of peaceniks or war-mongerers, since this event transcends any kind of partisan politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the Kursk, nations were trying to help in spite of the insistence by the Russians that everything was under control. Help was offered (and later accepted) in spite of the politics. What I thought you were suggesting was that help would not be offered because of the politics of the regime in the US. I think there is no chance of help being withheld for any reason.</p>
<p>Also, I think that politics are largely irrelevant in the case of these types of disasters. Politics are nothing more than artificial constructs for imposing order on (and occasionally by and/or for) a population. When that goes out the window, as in the case of NOLA, the politics are irrelevant. It doesn&#8217;t matter if the White House was full of peaceniks or war-mongerers, since this event transcends any kind of partisan politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Helge Staedtler</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/09/02/katrina-5-days-to-respond/#comment-80137</link>
		<dc:creator>Helge Staedtler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@D&#039;Arcy: Perhaps we can both agree on the statement that people who would like to help in case of a disaster should just plain ignore/bypass the politics (or any other hurdle in the way). This would be what I would like to see happen there P.D.Q. (pretty damn quick). :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@D&#8217;Arcy: Perhaps we can both agree on the statement that people who would like to help in case of a disaster should just plain ignore/bypass the politics (or any other hurdle in the way). This would be what I would like to see happen there P.D.Q. (pretty damn quick). <img src='http://www.darcynorman.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: D'Arcy</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/09/02/katrina-5-days-to-respond/#comment-80138</link>
		<dc:creator>D'Arcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah... That one. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230; That one. <img src='http://www.darcynorman.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: systemsboy</title>
		<link>http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/09/02/katrina-5-days-to-respond/#comment-80139</link>
		<dc:creator>systemsboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you! You are the first person (besides myself) I&#039;ve heard mention the idea of a pre-hurricane evacuation. How did this not happen? Why is no one saying anything about this? It seems so obvious. Ounce of prevention and all that. Could&#039;ve avoided the whole mess we&#039;re in now, or at least the worst parts of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! You are the first person (besides myself) I&#8217;ve heard mention the idea of a pre-hurricane evacuation. How did this not happen? Why is no one saying anything about this? It seems so obvious. Ounce of prevention and all that. Could&#8217;ve avoided the whole mess we&#8217;re in now, or at least the worst parts of it.</p>
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