Comments on: Getting feet wet with Rails http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/08/07/getting-feet-wet-with-rails/ apparently much happier in person Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:03:04 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Hunter http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/08/07/getting-feet-wet-with-rails/#comment-80073 Hunter Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1213946188#comment-80073 I have no idea what is causing your error but I am a WO programmer that is re-writing two apps in RoR. So far I'm really loving it. I think a lot of it is loving Ruby over the shackles of Java-dom but overall RoR feels more lightweight than WO. Not having a compile cycle is very nice... And not having to use WOBuilder is very nice. I don't explain to my customers why the form output from WO elements isn't XHTML! I have no idea what is causing your error but I am a WO programmer that is re-writing two apps in RoR.

So far I’m really loving it.

I think a lot of it is loving Ruby over the shackles of Java-dom but overall RoR feels more lightweight than WO.

Not having a compile cycle is very nice… And not having to use WOBuilder is very nice. I don’t explain to my customers why the form output from WO elements isn’t XHTML!

]]> By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/08/07/getting-feet-wet-with-rails/#comment-80074 D'Arcy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1213946188#comment-80074 Hunter, it's more than likely a result of some funkiness in my database schema - perhaps some more unsanctioned fieldnames or data types. I'll try a simpler first app to see how that works. Also, my database has "auto-increment" disabled on the PK, because it's also used by WebObjects, and EOF likes to do its silly EO_PK_TABLE nonsense rather than behaving like a regular MySQL client. Hunter, it’s more than likely a result of some funkiness in my database schema – perhaps some more unsanctioned fieldnames or data types. I’ll try a simpler first app to see how that works. Also, my database has “auto-increment” disabled on the PK, because it’s also used by WebObjects, and EOF likes to do its silly EO_PK_TABLE nonsense rather than behaving like a regular MySQL client.

]]> By: Joshua Archer http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/08/07/getting-feet-wet-with-rails/#comment-80075 Joshua Archer Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1213946188#comment-80075 ...yeah, the 'with no code' is with the caveat that you follow all of the assumed conventions. Any deviance requires configuration. 'no code' is optimistic, but still, even if you have to code, Ruby ensures you're not talking about a lot of code. …yeah, the ‘with no code’ is with the caveat that you follow all of the assumed conventions. Any deviance requires configuration. ‘no code’ is optimistic, but still, even if you have to code, Ruby ensures you’re not talking about a lot of code.

]]> By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/08/07/getting-feet-wet-with-rails/#comment-80076 D'Arcy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1213946188#comment-80076 Yeah. If I'd have RTFM, I may have stumbled across a list of "don't use these as field names" gotchas - still haven't seen one though... But still, that was a pretty simple thing to debug. Really surprised that "search" isn't part of the default scaffolding though. What good is a CRUD app without search? Yeah. If I’d have RTFM, I may have stumbled across a list of “don’t use these as field names” gotchas – still haven’t seen one though…

But still, that was a pretty simple thing to debug.

Really surprised that “search” isn’t part of the default scaffolding though. What good is a CRUD app without search?

]]> By: Joshua Archer http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/08/07/getting-feet-wet-with-rails/#comment-80077 Joshua Archer Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1213946188#comment-80077 I bet if it's not in the framework, it's an easily added 'gem' or what-not. A google search turns up the following... http://www.bigbold.com/snippets/posts/show/525 That might be a start. I bet if it’s not in the framework, it’s an easily added ‘gem’ or what-not. A google search turns up the following…

http://www.bigbold.com/snippets/posts/show/525

That might be a start.

]]> By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/08/07/getting-feet-wet-with-rails/#comment-80078 D'Arcy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1213946188#comment-80078 Yeah. I'd found the <a href="http://www.xml-blog.com/articles/2005/08/02/rails-search-generator" rel="nofollow">Search Generator Gem</a>, but haven't had a chance to play with it. Looks even easier than the code you linked to... Yeah. I’d found the Search Generator Gem, but haven’t had a chance to play with it. Looks even easier than the code you linked to…

]]> By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/08/07/getting-feet-wet-with-rails/#comment-80079 D'Arcy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1213946188#comment-80079 Um. woah. Search Generator keeps its own search index, outside of MySQL, in a flat text file. And it needs to be updated to let it find stuff. *cough*hack*ahem* While it does work, and I suppose it would be handy for cross-database and non-database searches, I'll take a closer look at the code you linked to, Josh :-) Um. woah. Search Generator keeps its own search index, outside of MySQL, in a flat text file. And it needs to be updated to let it find stuff. *cough*hack*ahem* While it does work, and I suppose it would be handy for cross-database and non-database searches, I’ll take a closer look at the code you linked to, Josh :-)

]]> By: Bob Jones http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/08/07/getting-feet-wet-with-rails/#comment-80080 Bob Jones Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1213946188#comment-80080 I'd be interested in seeing a comparison of WebObjects and Ruby on Rails once you're a little more familiar with RoR, as I'm interested in learning one or the other (time constraints). Everything I've read about WebObjects makes it sounds really incredible, but there's also a lot of buzz for RoR, so to hear from someone who has a better grasp of both breaking things down would be very much appreciated. I’d be interested in seeing a comparison of WebObjects and Ruby on Rails once you’re a little more familiar with RoR, as I’m interested in learning one or the other (time constraints). Everything I’ve read about WebObjects makes it sounds really incredible, but there’s also a lot of buzz for RoR, so to hear from someone who has a better grasp of both breaking things down would be very much appreciated.

]]> By: Hunter http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/08/07/getting-feet-wet-with-rails/#comment-80081 Hunter Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1213946188#comment-80081 I'm planning on writing something after I finish porting my Las Vegas tourism site from WO to Rails. WO is incredible. The problem is that Apple is letting it languish. Honestly, a lot of the things people like in Rails are in WO but no one has ever heard of WO... Rails benefits from being Open Source and thus progressing very quickly where WO 5.3++ has the potential of being OSXS only, which is a bit scary to folks like me. I’m planning on writing something after I finish porting my Las Vegas tourism site from WO to Rails.

WO is incredible. The problem is that Apple is letting it languish.

Honestly, a lot of the things people like in Rails are in WO but no one has ever heard of WO…

Rails benefits from being Open Source and thus progressing very quickly where WO 5.3++ has the potential of being OSXS only, which is a bit scary to folks like me.

]]> By: Hunter http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/08/07/getting-feet-wet-with-rails/#comment-80082 Hunter Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 1213946188#comment-80082 Search generator is a bit like Java Lucene, yes? D'Arcy - how do you usually do full-text search in WO apps? I've been using Lucene, which has an outside index. I believe there are Rails tools to use MySQL's full text indexing as well. Search generator is a bit like Java Lucene, yes?

D’Arcy – how do you usually do full-text search in WO apps? I’ve been using Lucene, which has an outside index.

I believe there are Rails tools to use MySQL’s full text indexing as well.

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