Comments on: Trying out MarsEdit (again) http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/02/06/trying-out-marsedit-again/ just a lowly edtech geek, mumble mumble university of calgary Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:18:07 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: David LeBer http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/02/06/trying-out-marsedit-again/#comment-79489 David LeBer Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 #comment-79489 I've been using MarsEdit with WordPress 1.2 for a month or two. I had some initial issues with MarsEdit failing to refresh from my blog but that turned out to be caused by OS X Server's performance cache being on for one of the other sites on the box. The only other issue I've experienced is MarsEdit occasionally touching the date on an entry after an update when I didn't want it to. Overall though, I've been very pleased. For support I suggest you join the <a href="http://ranchero.com/marsedit/mailinglist.php" rel="nofollow">mailing list</a>, you'll find Brent is very active on it. I’ve been using MarsEdit with WordPress 1.2 for a month or two. I had some initial issues with MarsEdit failing to refresh from my blog but that turned out to be caused by OS X Server’s performance cache being on for one of the other sites on the box.

The only other issue I’ve experienced is MarsEdit occasionally touching the date on an entry after an update when I didn’t want it to. Overall though, I’ve been very pleased. For support I suggest you join the mailing list, you’ll find Brent is very active on it.

]]> By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/02/06/trying-out-marsedit-again/#comment-79490 D'Arcy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 #comment-79490 The first thing I do with a MacOSX Server is turn off the performance caching. It just causes more problems than it's worth, and any box I've run had more than enough horsepower to run without caching enabled. I will check out the mailing list when I get a chance - I need more mail in my inbox :-) The first thing I do with a MacOSX Server is turn off the performance caching. It just causes more problems than it’s worth, and any box I’ve run had more than enough horsepower to run without caching enabled.

I will check out the mailing list when I get a chance – I need more mail in my inbox :-)

]]> By: Brent Simmons http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/02/06/trying-out-marsedit-again/#comment-79491 Brent Simmons Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 #comment-79491 Hi D'Arcy, It appears to be a bug in WordPress. A new bug, alas -- I just started hearing about it with WordPress 1.5. (MarsEdit is able to edit entries with other weblog systems just fine.) I'll install the latest WordPress and see if I can figure out a workaround, or at least report a bug to the WordPress folks. Note to David: the date-touching bug was also a WordPress bug, though I think it has been fixed in recent WordPress builds. Hi D’Arcy,

It appears to be a bug in WordPress. A new bug, alas — I just started hearing about it with WordPress 1.5. (MarsEdit is able to edit entries with other weblog systems just fine.)

I’ll install the latest WordPress and see if I can figure out a workaround, or at least report a bug to the WordPress folks.

Note to David: the date-touching bug was also a WordPress bug, though I think it has been fixed in recent WordPress builds.

]]> By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/02/06/trying-out-marsedit-again/#comment-79492 D'Arcy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 #comment-79492 Thanks for the info, Brent! It's filed as a bug with the Wordpress developers, so here's hoping it gets squashed before you have to worry about a workaround :-) Thanks for the info, Brent! It’s filed as a bug with the Wordpress developers, so here’s hoping it gets squashed before you have to worry about a workaround :-)

]]> By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/02/06/trying-out-marsedit-again/#comment-79493 D'Arcy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 #comment-79493 Weird - updating an entry appears to have worked for Matt (one of the WordPress developers). It's still failing for me with MarsEdit and Ecto. Weird – updating an entry appears to have worked for Matt (one of the WordPress developers). It’s still failing for me with MarsEdit and Ecto.

]]> By: Brent Simmons http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/02/06/trying-out-marsedit-again/#comment-79494 Brent Simmons Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 #comment-79494 I took a quick look at the WordPress code, and my guess is that it has something to do with categories. So it may not be that it always fails, but that it fails in certain circumstances. (Say, if you specify categories, or don't specify categories, or something.) Do WordPress sites have the concept of a default category? That could be something to look at too. I took a quick look at the WordPress code, and my guess is that it has something to do with categories. So it may not be that it always fails, but that it fails in certain circumstances. (Say, if you specify categories, or don’t specify categories, or something.) Do WordPress sites have the concept of a default category? That could be something to look at too.

]]> By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/02/06/trying-out-marsedit-again/#comment-79495 D'Arcy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 #comment-79495 Hmmm... Just tried creating a new entry with no categories (WP forced it into "general"). If I remove it from any categories and try to save the edit, it still fails. Also fails if I leave it in "General". Hmmm… Just tried creating a new entry with no categories (WP forced it into “general”). If I remove it from any categories and try to save the edit, it still fails. Also fails if I leave it in “General”.

]]> By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/02/06/trying-out-marsedit-again/#comment-79496 D'Arcy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 #comment-79496 I just took a closer look at the XML-RPC call, and it looks like the fourth parameter (which maps to the "publish") is set to boolean 0. Not sure if that is used or not, or if it would kick the post into draft mode. I just took a closer look at the XML-RPC call, and it looks like the fourth parameter (which maps to the “publish”) is set to boolean 0. Not sure if that is used or not, or if it would kick the post into draft mode.

]]> By: Brent Simmons http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/02/06/trying-out-marsedit-again/#comment-79497 Brent Simmons Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 #comment-79497 Yes, that's true, because MarsEdit treats WordPress as a Movable-Type/TypePad/etc. system. So when it sends an edited post to the weblog, it works like this: XML-RPC call #1: Send the post with the publish flag set to 0. XML-RPC call #2: Set the categories for the post. XML-RPC call #3: Send the post again, this time with publish flag set to 1. The reason for this is that Movable Type would render the page after call #1 -- but with the wrong category and hence at the wrong location. So we set it to not publish on call #1, then set it to publish on call #3. Since WordPress implements the Movable Type APIs, we treat it as Movable-Type-compatible. And for most builds of WordPress this has worked. But what's happening here is that call #1 is generating an error -- but the post actually does go through, only it's set to not publish. Since it generates an error, calls 2 and 3 are not made. Yes, that’s true, because MarsEdit treats WordPress as a Movable-Type/TypePad/etc. system. So when it sends an edited post to the weblog, it works like this:

XML-RPC call #1: Send the post with the publish flag set to 0.

XML-RPC call #2: Set the categories for the post.

XML-RPC call #3: Send the post again, this time with publish flag set to 1.

The reason for this is that Movable Type would render the page after call #1 — but with the wrong category and hence at the wrong location. So we set it to not publish on call #1, then set it to publish on call #3.

Since WordPress implements the Movable Type APIs, we treat it as Movable-Type-compatible. And for most builds of WordPress this has worked.

But what’s happening here is that call #1 is generating an error — but the post actually does go through, only it’s set to not publish. Since it generates an error, calls 2 and 3 are not made.

]]> By: D'Arcy http://www.darcynorman.net/2005/02/06/trying-out-marsedit-again/#comment-79498 D'Arcy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 #comment-79498 Brent, thanks for the clarification. That totally makes sense. Now to roll up my sleeves and see if I can figure out what is calling WordPress' wp_update_post() method is failing when called by mw_editpost() in xmlrpc.php... Brent, thanks for the clarification. That totally makes sense. Now to roll up my sleeves and see if I can figure out what is calling WordPress’ wp_update_post() method is failing when called by mw_editpost() in xmlrpc.php…

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